Politics and religion.

[Grace]

Good for them, but IMO they arent taking it far enough when it comes to the Fed .Gov's involvement in marriages.

What more should/could they do? I guess I figure this is a start - better this than nothing.

EDIT:

I wish some of the other states that already favor gay marriage would join in this action.

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What more should/could they do? I guess I figure this is a start - better this than nothing.

I feel there should be no federal laws pertaining to marriage. No benefits, no penalties, and no definitions.

EDIT:

I wish some of the other states that already favor gay marriage would join in this action.

Back in 1996 I dont remember if I was for or against Alaska's gay marriage ban, but thas not realy here or there is it?

[Grace]

Anyone remember the TV show Dirty, Sexy Money?

It's playing out right now, live, in Nevada and the U.S. Senate.

Sen. John Ensign's parents shelled out big bucks to pay off their son's mistress, the latest twist in an unfolding scandal that has upended the political career of the one-time rising GOP star.

The scandal has also touched Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), another prominent conservative, who revealed that he had confronted Ensign about the affair and urged him to end it, but says he will refuse to divulge any conversations with Ensign — even under inquiry from ethics investigators.

On Thursday, Ensign's attorney said that the senator's parents gave Doug Hampton, Cynthia Hampton and their two children gifts worth $96,000 in the form of a check. The attorney, Paul Coggins, said that each gift was limited to $12,000 and "complied with tax rules governing gifts."

The disclosure of the April 2008 payment seemed intended to head off growing questions about whether Ensign violated federal law by failing to report what Doug Hampton called a severance package worth more than $25,000 to his wife Cynthia, who left Ensign's campaign staff on April 30, 2008.

Ensign was not required to report the giving of such gifts, and on Thursday, his attorney went to lengths to point out that the payments were made and "accepted" as gifts from personal accounts rather than as a severance package for their dismissal from his staff. It's unclear whether the Hamptons view the payments as a gift or as severance, and an attorney for the couple wasn't reachable for comment.

The revelations of the payoff came as the scandal - quiet for several weeks - blossomed anew as Doug Hampton, the husband of Ensign's mistress Cynthia, told a Nevada television show this week that Ensign left his family in shambles by relentlessly pursuing his wife, even after writing a February 2008 letter purporting to break off the affair. The nine-month affair ended in August 2008 - some three months after the time both Hamptons left Ensign's staff.

Entire article HERE

[Puckstop31]

Thomas Paine was a wise man... I give you the first paragraph of Common Sense. Feb. 1776

Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not yet sufficently fashionable to procure them general favor; a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in the defence of custom. But tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason.

Given Grace's above example... And we all know many more can be found and talked about, from BOTH the D and R side.... Isn't it time to put the petty division of parties behind us? All they accomplish is to keep us fighting each other.

[Grace]

Given Grace's above example...

Which one - I posted on two different topics?

I'd rather discuss the first one - the second has become so very common these days

[Edwina's Secretary]

Again I say...I am neither D nor R...I am either V for voter or A for American.

I do not care what party affiliation someone professes...I care about the actions...the words of the person.

So...who keeps bringing up ....D...or R???

Yup...to quote another long gone guy...Physician...heal thyself!

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So...who keeps bringing up ....D...or R???

It must have been your turn today.


















“The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who don’t have it.”--George Bernard Shaw

[Puckstop31]

Again I say...I am neither D nor R...I am either V for voter or A for American.

I do not care what party affiliation someone professes...I care about the actions...the words of the person.

So...who keeps bringing up ....D...or R???

Yup...to quote another long gone guy...Physician...heal thyself!

First, thank you for reading my posts again. Second, I wasn't talking about you... There are a couple of other here who play that card.


So, lets discuss policy then? Any opinions on the "Global Warming" bill currently making its way through Congress? Your lady, Barbara Boxer, said some pretty amazing things about it recently. Apparently, she reads different science than the rest of us.


Finally, FWIW.... I don't want a fight. Believe it or not, I think you really do love our country. We just differ, vastly, on what we think is best for it. All I want is a chat about it. I like it on sites where the main focus is not such stuff, because you usually are just talking to "regular" people. The honesty level is usually higher. So lets not talk down to each other and lay off the barely hidden venom. I am just as guilty as anybody. OK?

[Puckstop31]

Which one - I posted on two different topics?

I'd rather discuss the first one - the second has become so very common these days

These days? Come now, we know politics is the 2nd oldest profession, yet is VERY similar to the first, eh? LOL

You have me at a loss I think. When you say "first" one, do you mean gay marriage? If so, there is not much to discuss... We are probably on the same side there.

[Grace]

These days? Come now, we know politics is the 2nd oldest profession, yet is VERY similar to the first, eh? LOL

You have me at a loss I think. When you say "first" one, do you mean gay marriage? If so, there is not much to discuss... We are probably on the same side there.

I did mean the first one - about gay marriage. I think the other one has been dissected from all sides, both here and everywhere else. I'm sorry I posted that article, now. Just couldn't resist the comparison between "real life" and sleaze TV.