Politics and religion.

**Edwina's Secretary** · 07-01-2009, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by Medusa

Leave the personal stuff out of it. It muddies the water.

I would respectfully suggest you do the same.

**Medusa** · 07-01-2009, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary

I would respectfully suggest you do the same.

I make an effort to not get personal and I don't engage in name calling. Let's just leave it at that, shall we, and move on? There's no need for vitriol. Civil and intelligent discussions work for me. In that way there are no hard feelings. We all on PT love our country despite our differing views.

**lizbud** · 07-01-2009, 08:24 PM

Soundness and Validity are both properties of deductive arguments. For an argument to be Valid the conclusion must follow from the premises; that is, if the premises are true your conclusion MUST be true. For example, If all dogs are animals, and all poodles are dogs; all poodles must be animals, is a valid argument. Whereas, If all dogs are animals; all animals must be dogs is invalid. This is because the conclusion is not directly derived from the premises.

For an argument to be Sound there are two criteria: the argument must be Valid, and the premises must be True. For example, all dogs are animals, poodles are dogs; therefore, poodles must be animals, is Valid and True and therefore Sound. Whereas, All dogs are cats, all poodles are dogs; therefore poodles must be cats, is certainly Valid, it is not Sound because the premises are not true.

**RICHARD** · 07-01-2009, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by lizbud

Soundness and Validity are both properties of deductive arguments. For an argument to be Valid the conclusion must follow from the premises; that is, if the premises are true your conclusion MUST be true. For example, If all dogs are animals, and all poodles are dogs; all poodles must be animals, is a valid argument. Whereas, If all dogs are animals; all animals must be dogs is invalid. This is because the conclusion is not directly derived from the premises.

For an argument to be Sound there are two criteria: the argument must be Valid, and the premises must be True. For example, all dogs are animals, poodles are dogs; therefore, poodles must be animals, is Valid and True and therefore Sound. Whereas, All dogs are cats, all poodles are dogs; therefore poodles must be cats, is certainly Valid, it is not Sound because the premises are not true.

Liz,

Can you repost this before I eat dinner?

I get slow and stupid after I eat?

And don't let Pam see this!

She thinks poodles are human!

**blue** · 07-02-2009, 12:58 AM

Originally Posted by RICHARD

Can you repost this before I eat dinner?

I dont know where Liz found that but here is a link for it that you could bookmark for later.

**lizbud** · 07-02-2009, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by RICHARD

Liz,

Can you repost this before I eat dinner?

I get slow and stupid after I eat?

And don't let Pam see this!

She thinks poodles are human!

OK, will do.

I was trying to keep it "animal" related.

**RICHARD** · 07-02-2009, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by lizbud

OK, will do.

I was trying to keep it "animal" related.

LOL,

It's just that after I eat nothing makes sense to me.

And since I always eat.....

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I am glad that the United States Senate has decided to look at the college football playoff system.

We really need to do that before any thing else happens!

Morons!

**blue** · 07-03-2009, 01:53 AM

Liz Im not gonna accuse you of plagiarism, but if you didnt originaly write what is in post #1043 10 months ago or earlier, you should have posted the source link.