Politics and religion.

[smokey the elder]

OK, I can't resist lobbing this grenade...*dons fireproof jammies*

California set itself up for this mess by passing Proposition 13 (I think) which makes it nearly impossible to raise taxes. Unfortunately, many states are forced to raise taxes during a recession. I know Libertarian types like blue are going to jump all over my s*** for this, but if folks want the Gov't to provide for them, they have to be willing to pay for it.

*ducks away from the torrent of flames I can see emerging in the distance*

[RICHARD]

OK, I can't resist lobbing this grenade...*dons fireproof jammies*

California set itself up for this mess by passing Proposition 13 (I think) which makes it nearly impossible to raise taxes. Unfortunately, many states are forced to raise taxes during a recession. I know Libertarian types like blue are going to jump all over my s*** for this, but if folks want the Gov't to provide for them, they have to be willing to pay for it.

*ducks away from the torrent of flames I can see emerging in the distance*

Correct!

Prop 13 caused quite a stir at the time..The F-wads that voted FOR the measure, way back when, were the ones that complained the most about the shortage of services long after they forgot they voted it in.

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Here's a little trivia about Howard Jarvis-the author of Prop 13.

Jarvis played a small part/sight gag in the movie, AIRPLANE!

At the beginning of the movie, Robert Hays drives a cab to the front of the airport terminal. Hays leaves the cab, with Jarvis in the rear at the curb.

At the end of the movie Jarvis, with the meter in the cab still running, is shown waiting for Hays to come back.

[blue]

OK, I can't resist lobbing this grenade...*dons fireproof jammies*

California set itself up for this mess by passing Proposition 13 (I think) which makes it nearly impossible to raise taxes. Unfortunately, many states are forced to raise taxes during a recession. I know Libertarian types like blue are going to jump all over my s*** for this, but if folks want the Gov't to provide for them, they have to be willing to pay for it.

*ducks away from the torrent of flames I can see emerging in the distance*

Why would I jump your sh!t for that? The Kalifornia .gov is reaping what they have sown, they taxed and taxed and taxed, user fees up the ying yang and they still dont have enough enough for those with their hands out. The ones paying for the .gov programs put their feet down and good for them.

I cant see how raising taxes make things better.

[RICHARD]

Why would I jump your sh!t for that? The Kalifornia .gov is reaping what they have sown, they taxed and taxed and taxed, user fees up the ying yang and they still dont have enough enough for those with their hands out. The ones paying for the .gov programs put their feet down and good for them.

I cant see how raising taxes make things better.

What happened out here is the freaking population grew so fast-you would not believe the places where houses have been built-when you see the state burning and the houses going up in flames, I can guarantee you that those house are less than 10 years old.

The 'old rates' just can't support the influx of people.

That and the fact that everyone drives out here so the effing traffic and roads are the pits.

Put it this way, a 20 minute drive to work was a 2 hour fight to get home around holidays. One Thanksgiving eve it took me almost 2.5 hrs to get home.

[smokey the elder]

Tax 'n' spend keeps getting us into messes, no matter whether it's the state, feds or whatever. I think once you get on the treadmill it's wicked hard to get off of it.

[RICHARD]

Can someone get our president a personality, not some speech on a teleprompter?

One of the funniest things about watching BO is the head movements he makes while 'giving' a speech as he reads.

The more I see it, the more I am reminded of some actor reading a script and acting out what is printed on the page. It's all pre packaged tripe with only a talking head to roll it around in their mouth, then tell us how it tastes.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

You all just crack me up! You didn't like when we had a Republican Pres. You don't like the Democrate one. Is there any one you would like? Let us know now. Maybe we can have them run in next election. They should start campaigning for it soon.

[RICHARD]

You all just crack me up! You didn't like when we had a Republican Pres. You don't like the Democrate one. Is there any one you would like? Let us know now. Maybe we can have them run in next election. They should start campaigning for it soon.

We want someone without the baggage and ulterior motives.

It's all the same kind of BS.

The politicians today aren't men or women. They are the creation of the people who buy them and sit them in office.

IT's really not a matter of LIKING a politician.

It's all about respect.

And I have more respect for the 'offices' than I have for the people that sit in them.