A Firearm in Every Home.

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yawn!!!!

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Thanks for proving my point in a very petty and immature way, good trolling tactic. Dont forget to take your pom poms with you.

Seriously, I read a article today about an amendment that was inserted into
the recent Credit Card Bill that Obama signed a few days ago. It allows guns
in all National Parks. A really dumb idea.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5025472.shtml

Why is it a dumb idea, and why are you mad about it?

It makes perfect sense to me, other then the fact it was piggy backed on the credit card bill.

Thanks Karen. Except for a few lapses, the subject is still guns.

Why the confusion?

Seriously, if any of you have nothing of substance to add to this thread why bother posting in it? Are you just boosting your post count? Are you simply trying to be belittling and insulting? If you dont agree with the premise of the thread back it up with an actual argument or be an adult and not post.

Why is basic firearm safety so threatening to the anti's who have posted in this thread? Why is the idea of arming potential victims a bad idea?

I have to question Randi's sig

There are over five hundred and fifty million firearms in worldwide circulation. That's five hundred and fortynine million too many! The only question is, how do we get rid of them all?

Who gets to keep the remaining 1 million firearms? How do we get rid of them all if there are 1 million left? If all firearms are gone what is the next banned weapon?

Didnt the UK try and ban long kitchen knives a few years ago? ETA: Should there be a continent wide ban of machetes in Africa?

[pomtzu]

I am here, what do you mean? The thread has pretty much died down, all the arguments made, no need to lock it ...

See my explanation in a PM. Share it if you wish.

[pomtzu]

Why the confusion?

Seriously, if any of you have nothing of substance to add to this thread why bother posting in it? Are you just boosting your post count? Are you simply trying to be belittling and insulting? If you dont agree with the premise of the thread back it up with an actual argument or be an adult and not post.

I'm glad that someone got my point!

[kokopup]

I have not seen any constructive debate in quite a while. The posturing
going on now will not change the opinion of either side. Maybe it is time
to let it die a natural death.

[pomtzu]

I have not seen any constructive debate in quite a while. The posturing
going on now will not change the opinion of either side. Maybe it is time
to let it die a natural death.

Yay - a comrade in my corner.....

[Randi]

I have to question Randi's sig


Who gets to keep the remaining 1 million firearms? How do we get rid of them all if there are 1 million left? If all firearms are gone what is the next banned weapon?

Didnt the UK try and ban long kitchen knives a few years ago? ETA: Should there be a continent wide ban of machetes in Africa?

I have been waiting for this question!

The remaining weapons will of course be for the poor people who live in countries where they can't go down to the shop to buy their groceries, like you and me, but have to hunt to keep them from starving to death.

Concerning knives, I'm happy to tell you that long knives are banned here. Living in a city, you have absolutely no use for a knife when you're walking around in the street or going to a discoteque!

[TamanduaGirl]

Doesn't everyone already know how to use a gun? I don't mean safely or accurately but doesn't everyone know how to pick a gun up and pull the trigger? Even little kids? So how would teaching safety cause more problems?

I'm not saying everyone should be forced to but I don't see why people think learning safety equals encouraging people to shoot.

[kokopup]

guote by TamanduaGirl

I'm not saying everyone should be forced to but I don't see why people think learning safety equals encouraging people to shoot.

I have said it before and will say it again. When ever people and guns get together you have accidents. I have significant experience with people and guns. I am a gun owner and collector. Most people, especially children are not safe around guns. It is like me not allowing my wife to operate my chainsaw. I put the chainsaws and guns in the same class. There are just some things that are not safe for the majority of people or children to use. "Gun safety training" is a oxymoron. There is no way to make a gun safe. When you give someone training that infers that they know what they are doing. i have seen the most experience hunters shooting each other, and collectors shooting themselves with unload guns. That is what they thought anyway. If you have a child that you want to learn safety then teach him/her yourself, but don't expect him/her to be safe because of that training, because they aren't.

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First off Ild like to thank pomtzu and kokopup for stating the obvious, if you dont bump this thread with juvenile or insulting posts it will go away.

I have been waiting for this question!

The remaining weapons will of course be for the poor people who live in countries where they can't go down to the shop to buy their groceries, like you and me, but have to hunt to keep them from starving to death.

Arming the poor people in third world countries was part of the original premise of this thread, but its to keep them from being murdered by the people who would take their food and medical supplies supplied from foreign sources. Simply arming people to hunt without teaching them how to hunt responsibly and to maintain a sustainable supply of game is also irresponsible.

If only the "hunters" had firearms what is to stop them from taking advantage of their defenseless neighbors?

Concerning knives, I'm happy to tell you that long knives are banned here. Living in a city, you have absolutely no use for a knife when you're walking around in the street or going to a discoteque!

Knives can be very usefull for self defense, in some cases even more usefull and effective then a firearm. The problem is only law abiding citizens have stopped carrying knives for protection where you live.

Doesn't everyone already know how to use a gun? I don't mean safely or accurately but doesn't everyone know how to pick a gun up and pull the trigger? Even little kids? So how would teaching safety cause more problems?

I'm not saying everyone should be forced to but I don't see why people think learning safety equals encouraging people to shoot.

Part of safety training to me also includes consequences and personal responsability for actually using a firearm for defense of life and property.

guote by TamanduaGirl

I'm not saying everyone should be forced to but I don't see why people think learning safety equals encouraging people to shoot.

I have said it before and will say it again. When ever people and guns get together you have accidents. I have significant experience with people and guns. I am a gun owner and collector. Most people, especially children are not safe around guns. It is like me not allowing my wife to operate my chainsaw. I put the chainsaws and guns in the same class. There are just some things that are not safe for the majority of people or children to use. "Gun safety training" is a oxymoron. There is no way to make a gun safe. When you give someone training that infers that they know what they are doing. i have seen the most experience hunters shooting each other, and collectors shooting themselves with unload guns. That is what they thought anyway. If you have a child that you want to learn safety then teach him/her yourself, but don't expect him/her to be safe because of that training, because they aren't.

When people get together with anything that can cause harm or death their are accidents, and I mean anything that can cause harm or deaths. Ive seen children use both firearms and chainsaws safer the adults because they were trained in the safe use of them.

I have a Jeep in my yard with a tree resting on its roll bar and I have a perfectly running chainsaw in my shed. Why has the tree been sitting on my Jeep for 3 years now? Because Im not comfortable with chainsaw safety, when I am Ill remove the tree.

First thing a child should be taught and drilled on if they come across a firearm, GO FIND AN ADULT!

ETA: lizbud, Ive answered your questions in other threads, please answer mine in this thread..

[lizbud]

It is like me not allowing my wife to operate my chainsaw. I put the chainsaws and guns in the same class.

You don't ALLOW your wife ?

[pomtzu]

You don't ALLOW your wife ?

There could be, and probably is, a very valid reason.

My son doesn't allow me to use his chain saw (nor would a husband if there was one!) - and justly so - not that I would even want to tho. I have very limited strength and feeling in my hands and arms, so obviously it would not be safe for me to do so.

If anyone doesn't know the reasoning behind kokopup's statement, then perhaps they should refrain from looking for a reason for a confrontation.

[lizbud]

There could be, and probably is, a very valid reason.

My son doesn't allow me to use his chain saw (nor would a husband if there was one!) - and justly so - not that I would even want to tho. I have very limited strength and feeling in my hands and arms, so obviously it would not be safe for me to do so.

The words used implied the wife doesn't have the good sense not to
use a electrical tool that she knew she couldn't handle. A intelligent,
adult woman doesn't need supervision like a child would.

[pomtzu]

The words used implied the wife doesn't have the good sense not to
use a electrical tool that she knew she couldn't handle. A intelligent,
adult woman doesn't need supervision like a child would.

I personally didn't see that meaning in it at all, but then I suppose different people could have a different interpretation. I don't see where "intelligence" even enters in to what he said. Again - just IMHO.

Whatever - I'm sure his reasons are justified and none of our business anyway.

[lizbud]

I personally didn't see that meaning in it at all, but then I suppose different people could have a different interpretation. I don't see where "intelligence" even enters in to what he said. Again - just IMHO.

Whatever - I'm sure his reasons are justified and none of our business anyway.

Whatever.

[kokopup]

Quote:

Originally Posted by lizbud View Post
You don't ALLOW your wife ?

I have a workshop full of electric saws that I would be glad to teach my wife to use. The statement "not allow" pertains to a Gas powered saw used to cut down trees. It weighs 35 pounds and has 18" of cutting chain with little knifes on it. She has ask if she could use it and I have declined because it takes a lot of strength and knowledge to use one. My son of 46 has also been declined because of lack of training. A chainsaw will cripple you in a heart beat. Just like the gun I have seen many accidents and deaths involving chainsaws.

I went to a 3 day training class put on by the Forest Service or I would not operate one myself. It is not just the saw that is dangerous but the tree you are cutting. If you do not understand how energy is stored in a downed tree then you should not even cut the first branch.