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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady's Human View Post
    What are the downsides to this?

    How's this for starters......

    There are people who are perfectly good citizens who lack the physical capabilities to pass these courses.

    Because of a physical disability someone would be incapable of getting a mortgage or owning a business?

    Funny, I think Stephen Hawking would be an asset to ANY community, regardless of whether he can pass a basic marksmanship or firearm safety course.
    You dont think exceptions wouldnt be taken into account? Obviously Mr Hawking, amputies, blind people, etc, etc would be exempt.

    So are you being silly, trying to be difficult, or just trying to start an argument?

    Not being able to take the course, for physical or mental reasons is not a downside to the idea in general.
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    So are you being silly, trying to be difficult, or just trying to start an argument?
    Entschuldigen sie bitte?

    None of the above.

    Just taking your absolutist statement and pointing out a flaw in it.

    While I have no problem with the basic concept of everyone having basic knowledge of firearms, I have issues with the public education system being used as the place to further an agenda or teach opinions. (and yes, that would include ANY agenda, be it liberal or conservative. Just ask my daughter.) Besides, the liability issues alone would hamstring any school attempting to teach firearms. Just because it worked when my mother was in school doesn't mean it would work at the present time in the present climate.

    If you want your kids to know safe firearm handling, teach them at home, or get them memberships in a gun club.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady's Human View Post
    Entschuldigen sie bitte?
    I dont speak , German is it? Translation, please.

    None of the above.

    Just taking your absolutist statement and pointing out a flaw in it.
    Countries that have mandantory conscription dont include the blind, or others with physical or mental handicaps. So if you think common sense is a flaw, my idea is flawed.

    While I have no problem with the basic concept of everyone having basic knowledge of firearms, I have issues with the public education system being used as the place to further an or teach opinions. (and yes, that would include ANY agenda, be it liberal or conservative. Just ask my daughter.) Besides, the liability issues alone would hamstring any school attempting to teach firearms. Just because it worked when my mother was in school doesn't mean it would work at the present time in the present climate.

    If you want your kids to know safe firearm handling, teach them at home, or get them memberships in a gun club.
    I have alot of issues with the public education system. You want to make this a conservative/liberal agenda issue start a new thread.

    How is teaching basic firearms safety and marksmanship an agenda, or opinion, when its about basic safety? Or is it only about the children when its anti gun? Sorry I had to go there.

    If liability was an issue why do schools have any sport teams?

    I dont have kids. What I would like is kids who know firearm safety, and at a young age.
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    Im going to sleep.
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    One, your original statement makes no allowances for disabilities. To quote....

    If you want a private business lisence you must pass a basic firearms safety and marksmanship course. If you want a home mortgage, you must pass a basic firearms safety and marksmanship course.
    That's pretty much an absolutist statement. I don't assume, I'm not reading your mind. I'm just going by your statements.

    Safe handling and markmanship would be part of the overall GPA from 1st to high school graduation.
    Subjects other than basic education should have no effect on GPA whatsoever. If a student hates gym class, it should have ZERO effect on their GPA. Same with any other non-academic course.

    As to the liability issue, liability insurance is a major cost factor in school sports. Many schools are now requiring parents to pay a participation fee for sports for that reason. The probability of a severe accident would go up exponentially if you put live fire ranges in schools. Even on military ranges, where controls are tight, and the people shooting are professionals, accidents happen, and accidents on ranges are rarely minor.

    As an NCO I didn't trust others to train troops for me, and I'm damned well not going to allow my children to be taught firearms safety by someone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady's Human View Post
    One, your original statement makes no allowances for disabilities. To quote....

    Quote Originally Posted by blue
    If you want a private business lisence you must pass a basic firearms safety and marksmanship course. If you want a home mortgage, you must pass a basic firearms safety and marksmanship course.
    That's pretty much an absolutist statement. I don't assume, I'm not reading your mind. I'm just going by your statements.
    No, you are assuming that people with no motor controll function would be treated the same as people with full motor controll function. Comon sense would dictate that isnt the case.

    Subjects other than basic education should have no effect on GPA whatsoever. If a student hates gym class, it should have ZERO effect on their GPA. Same with any other non-academic course.

    As to the liability issue, liability insurance is a major cost factor in school sports. Many schools are now requiring parents to pay a participation fee for sports for that reason. The probability of a severe accident would go up exponentially if you put live fire ranges in schools. Even on military ranges, where controls are tight, and the people shooting are professionals, accidents happen, and accidents on ranges are rarely minor.

    As an NCO I didn't trust others to train troops for me, and I'm damned well not going to allow my children to be taught firearms safety by someone else.
    As things sit today physical education, and non academic courses in schools are tied to the GPA.

    Public schools once had firearms teams as a sports option. Students and teachers used to bring their rifles on to school grounds during hunting season. It would seem reasonable, the younger people are taught firearm safety, accidents would be fewer and less severe.

    As an NCO, your kids should have no problem passing basic firearms safety tests, after your instructions.
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