The natives are getting restless...

[Puckstop31]

You may not argue with historical facts -- but most historians do!

"Facts" -- as it used is a slippery word. The Allies won WWII. That is a fact. We know because there are documents with that and signatures, etc.

But HOW they won the war? That all becomes interpretation and analysis. One historian may consider a certain battle the "key" another a different battle.

To argue the value of a certain engagement, in the scope of a campaign and it's effects on the over all resolution of a conflict is one thing... To say that how the leaders of the Third Reich came to power is still a matter for wide debate is another matter entirely. The very fact that the Nazi's documented almost everything they did provides more than enough evidence on it's own. But couple that evidence with reading Mein Kampf..... Barring a new discovery, the course of events in Central Europe in the decade and a half before WWII are well known.

Don't belive me? Read some the the U.S. authors, the self described "progressives" fawning over Mussolini and Hitler in the 1930's. You have to really dig to find it, but it is there.

I once visited a WWII museum in Normandy. I will never forget one line from the film they showed - About the "surprisingly audacious Yanks" who sort of popped in at the end and helped out a bit.

Ahh the English.... LOL

There is an expression that "history is written by the side that won the war." That is why the name "Civil War" is more common than "War of Northern Aggression."

It's better to say that "the side that won is the version that is taught." There is PLENTY of material on WWII writen from the Axis players.

p.s. I so often hear people compare Obama to Hitler based on his oratory skills and his desire to change how our government works. Great communicator who wants to change government -- doesn't that describe Reagan? Yet, I never hear him compared to Hitler.

It's not his oratory skills. I belive Obama is not as great a orator as we are lead to belive. A great orator does not sound like a 15 Y/O boy asking a girl out on a date. Without the prompter, its almost uncomfortable to listen to him. Nor is it his desire to change government that I draw the comparison. Its HOW he wants to change things. Clearly he wants more power for the Federal Government. It's not the things he promises... All politicans make promises... It's HOW he wants to make those promises come true. He wants you to depend on somebody else, rather than empowering you to do it yourself.

Dependance = slavery.

[Puckstop31]

I went searching and found 2 books by Pamela Geller. One by Pamela L. Geller; the other by Pamela A. Geller. I’m reasonably sure that neither of these women is the Pam Geller from Atlas Shrugs - the author of the piece Puck posted. (Alliteration anyone?)

Do you frequent that site on a regular basis? Dingbat is the word lizbud used to describe her – I think that is a kind assessment.

The article was forwarded to me in a email. I have never seen her blog before. Nor to I read it.

Frankly, had I checked her out before I posted this, I would have not posted it. The racial stuff she said is totally wrong. So please do not take anything I say as a defence of her as a person.

This said, the points I am supporting are valid. Her style may be very poor, but at least in this case she has some valid, IMO, points.

If you disagree with me, that is fine. But do so because you disagree with the substance, not the style. I fear way to many people vote for style anymore, without any concern for substance and merit.

[Grace]

I learned long ago to check out any and all items such as this one that I receive in an email.

I wouldn't trust anything she spouts.

The sky is falling is perfect!

[lizbud]

It's not his oratory skills. I belive Obama is not as great a orator as we are lead to belive. A great orator does not sound like a 15 Y/O boy asking a girl out on a date. Without the prompter, its almost uncomfortable to listen to him.

" As we were lead to believe." ? Why do you chose to believe your lying ears???
I would much prefer a man consider his choice of words than rattle off a standard answer of BS.

[Puckstop31]

" As we were lead to believe." ? Why do you chose to believe your lying ears???
I would much prefer a man consider his choice of words than rattle off a standard answer of BS.

Ahhh Liz.... I guess Barack Obama can never do any wrong in your eyes eh?

"Considering his words..." THAT's rich. But I do applaud your effort to defend him. You are certainly loyal... Much like the French SS Guard Battalion stayed loyal to Hitler until the very end in Berlin.

[Puckstop31]

I learned long ago to check out any and all items such as this one that I receive in an email.

I wouldn't trust anything she spouts.

The sky is falling is perfect!

Are you reading anything I am saying?

I don't CARE who wrote what was said. I care about the CONTENT. She might be a whacko, but she said some things that I agree with.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

But I see, more and more, why you people who belive in Obama, do so. It seems to me that style matters more than substance.

[Grace]

Much like the French SS Guard Battalion stayed loyal to Hitler until the very end in Berlin.

You keep comparing Obama to Hitler.

I don't CARE who wrote what was said. I care about the CONTENT. She might be a whacko, but she said some things that I agree with.

Fine - agree with them. But don't expect the rest of us to be in lock-step with you.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Some people seem to assume the rest of us have never read a book and live in ignorance.

Some time ago I became interested in WWII. So I asked some REAL experts what I should read. I started out with "Mein Kampf" - after all it is the beginning, then I read Wm Shirer's "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" and Albert Speer's "Inside the Third Reich." It went on from there. The whole video series about the war, the TIME/Life series as well as many first hand accounts.

I an not an expert. And my interests have moved on. But I know enough that this whackjob (that website!! She makes Ann Coulter look sweet and gentle!) is playing another version of the bogus parlor game...Lincoln had a secretary named Kennedy and Kennedy had a secretary named Lincoln!

The comparisons are opinions at best. There are so many, many more differences between the situation in the US today and Germany when Hilter took over. And between Hilter and Obama. But of course...who would circulate an email that pointed those out????

And I also know enough to put Normandy in France -- not England!

[Puckstop31]

You keep comparing Obama to Hitler.

Because there are similarities. Perhaps not motivations, but certainly in methods.

Fine - agree with them. But don't expect the rest of us to be in lock-step with you.

I never would. Remember my prime belief in politics... Individual Liberty is the most important thing a government should preserve. The minimal amount of interference possible.

[lizbud]

Ahhh Liz.... I guess Barack Obama can never do any wrong in your eyes eh?

"Considering his words..." THAT's rich. But I do applaud your effort to defend him. You are certainly loyal... Much like the French SS Guard Battalion stayed loyal to Hitler until the very end in Berlin.

I am very aware that you must maintain some semblance of self respect
after posting such a outrageous peace of garbage, while urging people to
read and be enlightened by it. Geeze.

I am amazed you actually hadn't checked out your source before you
posted in the first place.

[Puckstop31]

Some people seem to assume the rest of us have never read a book and live in ignorance.

I assume nothing.

Some time ago I became interested in WWII. So I asked some REAL experts what I should read. I started out with "Mein Kampf" - after all it is the beginning, then I read Wm Shirer's "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" and Albert Speer's "Inside the Third Reich." It went on from there. The whole video series about the war, the TIME/Life series as well as many first hand accounts.

I've read all those titles, plus many more. I've been involved with first hand interviews with veterans. The research was for some articles published in WWII Magazine.

Have you watched the Band of Brothers series? I live about 30 miles from Major Winters. I've met him, several times and have had the absolute privilidge of talking with him at length about his experiences.


Having read Mein Kampf... Certainly, Barack Obama's motivations are not similar. But some of the methods are, would you not agree? Face it ES... You are a very self confident person. You think that your way is THE way. You've said before... "If people keep making stupid decisions...." The context was in reference to controlling people. Admit it or not, you have Fascist tendencies.

The comparisons are opinions at best. There are so many, many more differences between the situation in the US today and Germany when Hilter took over. And between Hilter and Obama. But of course...who would circulate an email that pointed those out????

I can back up my opinions by merely linking a few articles showing things The President has said. But you are right... It is my opinion. I hope I am wrong.

I got the email from my boss... Who is admittedly a mindless Republican. I should have known better than to use it without sourcing. The lady is clearly a nutjob. BUT... I do agree with some of the stuff I said. SOME.

And I also know enough to put Normandy in France -- not England!

Of course Normandy is in France. May I ask what museum you visited? The British and Canadians referred to the Americans as "Yanks". The French generally did not.

So like you... You cannot just resist the personal dig. You are such a hypocrite. You rant and rave at Blue, yet you do this. I cannot believe I actually offered you a olive branch. Shocking that you chose not to accept.

[Puckstop31]

I am very aware that you must maintain some semblence of self respect
after posting such a outrageous peace of garbage, while urging people to
read and be enlightened by it. Geeze.

I am amazed you actually hadn't checked out your source before you
posted in the first place.

Thats the thing... I admit my errors. The person who wrote the piece is clearly has issues. BUT, SOME of what she said I agree with. Just like Rush Limbaugh is a loud mouth jerk. I still agree with him from time to time.

So, can we please get past the person who wrote it? Grace posted a link from Krauthammer, saying similar things. Does that make him an "idiot" too?

Self respect? Do you really think I give one ounce of concern to what YOU think of me Liz? I would if you had the guts to actually engage from time to time. You know, have an original thought and the courage to share it. The only reason you have said as much in this thread as you have is because you have something on me this time. Something which I fully admit was an error.

[blue]

"any black man is ineligible to run for President and that any vote for himself or anyone else is invalid".

Did anybody actually check the FECs press releases to see if this is factual?

[Twisterdog]

Truly, I thought I heard, "The sky is falling, the sky is falling" by the second paragraph. Wacky as a Saturday morning cartoon is a funny, but, apt, description!

My thoughts exactly.

[Puckstop31]

To the "sky is falling folks..."

What do you call what is going on right now? How do you justify TRILLIONS of dollars of deficit spending? Spending that is neither borrowed or "earned", but simply created out of thin air? What do you call government control of private business and a Treasury Secretary begging for more?

What do you call the 58 TRILLION dollars in unfunded benefits promised out right now?

Bury your heads in the sand if you like... But i'll be OK taking the ridicule from you and ending up being wrong. But if I am right.... Good luck to ya.