The children be darned! Tobacco taxes.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I am seriously opposed to the government nosing into my home. (Assuming I do not have a meth lab going in there.) There have been some communities that have banned smoking in homes here in California but.... those are instances of condo, rentals...places where one man's ceiling is another man's floor... It is a tough one. I can tell if someone is smoking two cars away from me. Many times I have been in my hotel room in a non-smoking hotel and I can smell that someone...somewhere in the hotel is smoking.

So, if I buy a condo...or rent an apartment. With no smoking. And someone moves in next door who smokes. Whose comforts/expectations prevail?

When we bought our house we were told the rules -- no cars on the street overnight, can only paint the house certain colors, no rvs or boats. It was our choice to buy here or not. And on the other hand -- I sure like the way the neighborhood looks and the property values stay high.

So does that infringe on someone's "right" to paint the house next door bright purple? Maybe.

But that is the problem with rights and rules - your "right" may break my "rule" and my "rule" may infringe on your "right."

[blue]

I am seriously opposed to the government nosing into my home. (Assuming I do not have a meth lab going in there.) There have been some communities that have banned smoking in homes here in California but.... those are instances of condo, rentals...places where one man's ceiling is another man's floor... It is a tough one. I can tell if someone is smoking two cars away from me. Many times I have been in my hotel room in a non-smoking hotel and I can smell that someone...somewhere in the hotel is smoking.

I was under the impression that certain areas of Kaliforia had bans on smoking in cars due to the threat of wild fires as well.

So, if I buy a condo...or rent an apartment. With no smoking. And someone moves in next door who smokes. Whose comforts/expectations prevail?

When we bought our house we were told the rules -- no cars on the street overnight, can only paint the house certain colors, no rvs or boats. It was our choice to buy here or not. And on the other hand -- I sure like the way the neighborhood looks and the property values stay high.

So does that infringe on someone's "right" to paint the house next door bright purple? Maybe.

But that is the problem with rights and rules - your "right" may break my "rule" and my "rule" may infringe on your "right."

If you buy a house or condo in an area that has tenants you know what you can and cant do on your own property. In such a case you have voluntarily infringed on your own rights, nobody forced you into it. Your "rights" and "rules" comparison fails.

ETA: If someone moves into a nonsmoking rental and smokes inside of the unit, they are in breach of contract and in the wrong. If the rental is not specific on smoking or the renters are smoking outside, the nieghbor is SOL on comfort.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I was under the impression that certain areas of Kaliforia had bans on smoking in cars due to the threat of wild fires as well.

Where is Kaliforia????

If you buy a house or condo in an area that has tenants you know what you can and cant do on your own property. In such a case you have voluntarily infringed on your own rights, nobody forced you into it. Your "rights" and "rules" comparison fails.

The smoking or housing complex rules is just an example of rules and rights bumping up against each other.

One person's heartfelt "right" - bumps up against someone else's heartfelt "rule" all the time. It is human nature.

[blue]

The smoking or housing complex rules is just an example of rules and rights bumping up against each other.

One person's heartfelt "right" - bumps up against someone else's heartfelt "rule" all the time. It is human nature.

Fail again. If a place of residence or business has a "rule" against smoking, a smoker has no "right" to smoke there.

I have no right to smoke in your residence and you have no right to object if I smoke in mine.

Maybe you know Kalifornia better as Mexifornia?

[Grace]

Because his education policies delve deep into things other than education. He sees himself as an arbeiter of what is right "for the children." His job is to provide an education for our kids, not to impose HIS world view.

Source, please.

But if you Google him, you will get the current administrations take on him, which of course is glowing.

I didn’t. I got my information from George Will, the Pulitzer Prize-winning conservative American newspaper columnist, journalist, and author.

[RICHARD]

"I don't want the Government in MY HOUSE.....But I do want them to tell big business how to run itself.

Please,

All the whiners in this country!

A local power company wanted to run high tension wires thru a community.
The AH neighbors banded together and stopped the project.
Oh, it blocks our view, it's dangerous, electro magnetic fields.....Offer them a break in their rates for letting the lines be built and see how many of the cheap SOBs will green light the project.

All the ciggie taxes are just that, taxes.
They flow thru the bureacracy to pay for more jack holes to pass laws that cause more problems...


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"OPEN THE DOOR! POLICE! We know you are smoking in there!!!!"

That's a crime!

[blue]

Im not the only one who uses the term "jack hole"!!!

[Puckstop31]

Source, please.

I didn’t. I got my information from George Will, the Pulitzer Prize-winning conservative American newspaper columnist, journalist, and author.

Its not something you come to from just ONE source. It's a opinion developed after looking a a lot of stuff on this guy. I will get back to you one this, but I am having a crazy busy day. LOL

Actually, it goes in directions that are not part of this thread... So maybe I will post a fresh one. Because it will most likely end up with another "gun control/mind control" debate. LOL

[Grace]

Its not something you come to from just ONE source. It's a opinion developed after looking a a lot of stuff on this guy. I will get back to you one this, but I am having a crazy busy day. LOL

No need to get back with me - if you had indicated it was your opinion, I would not have responded further.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Maybe you know Kalifornia better as Mexifornia?

Aren't you the clever little racist!

[blue]

Aren't you the clever little racist!

Clever? I have my moments, if I where realy clever I would have writen the book and be a best selling author.

Racist? Hardly, unless Kalifornians are now a race of their own, but thanks for the insult.

May I assume you will never accept Medicare or Social Security ???

I dont expect either to be around in the near future, so Im planning ahead.

Or unemployment. Or food stamps. Or workers' comp. Or veterans benefits.

We can certainly tell he did not take advantage of public education.

He does not even know the correct names of the states!

I currently qualify for Food Stamps and no I am not participating, families with kids have a far greater need for the funds then I do.

Ive paid more into unemployment, and workmans comp then I have recieved back by a longshot, and they are not the same as government handouts.

To equate Veterans Benifits as a handout is an insult to every man and woman who has served the United States of America who earned those benifits by serving.

I graduated public school with honors, so again thanks for the insult.

For someone who likes to make fun of and insult others you realy dont understand sarcasm in the least.

[pomtzu]

To equate Veterans Benifits as a handout is an insult to every man and woman who has served the United States of America who earned those benifits by serving.

I'm not very often in agreement with anything that "blue" has to say, however, this is an exception. I stand behind this statement 100%!

[Puckstop31]

It is a tough one.

Not really...

So, if I buy a condo...or rent an apartment. With no smoking. And someone moves in next door who smokes. Whose comforts/expectations prevail?

When we bought our house we were told the rules -- no cars on the street overnight, can only paint the house certain colors, no rvs or boats. It was our choice to buy here or not. And on the other hand -- I sure like the way the neighborhood looks and the property values stay high.

You chose to live in such a community. I am happy that you are happy with your choice.

I could never live that way. Does not make me right nor you wrong.

Re: The smoking thing. If the community rules do not prohibit smoking, the home owners expectations/confort prevails.

But that is the problem with rights and rules - your "right" may break my "rule" and my "rule" may infringe on your "right."

But only if you choose to live in a community that invokes such rules upon itself. If you want to live that way, giver. Just don't try to force other people to live the way you do. It is really, really simple.

[carole]

Blue you are gonna become a lot richer now that you have given up smoking, not only will the wealth be in the bank but in your well being as well,I hope you carry through with it and do it, no matter what the reasons are behind you choosing to give up,good for you and I have been there, done that,and it really is not that hard.,and i was a chain smoker.

[Catty1]

Ironically...any 'laws' to prevent or stop smoking will only result in defiance in many smokers themselves (addicts are notorious for being defiant!) - and I suspect many will still smoke in defiance, to maintain individuality.

Unfortunately, that's like fighting for freedom by banging yourself on the head with a hammer...it will only hurt you.

At the other extreme - if NO one smoked (very hypothetical situation) then other ways of establishing individual freedom would have to be found.

I wonder if the smoking issue and laws could be a whole red herring here...