Can somebody explain the most recent Israel/Palestine conflict?

[Edwina's Secretary]

There are three sides to every story - his, hers and the truth. The problem is to figure out which is which. This one is so complicated and filled with emotions and religions and ancient history. Everyone believes they are right and the other guy is wrong.

I will not join this one as I am not that knowledgable in the area. Plus the euphemistically named "collateral damage" makes me sick. Except to say...Hamas IS the democratically elected government. Democracy can work many ways.

I suspect some people who know less than I will express opinions nonetheless.

[caseysmom]

It is hard to discern the truths since anything you read is slanted one way or another. I did read the autobiography of queen noor, she is an american who married the king of jordan.

She is an educated elequent story writer and did sort some of it out and did have some information that we are not necessarily given in the west.

All in all its a bad situation and I don't see it getting better.

[RICHARD]

I will not join this one as I am not that knowledgable in the area. Plus the euphemistically named "collateral damage" makes me sick.

Instead of CD try, People that get dead because THEIR people are morons.

Technically not very accurate but it's nicer than being caught up in the Blast Radius of a Hellfire Missile.........But, why do the Palis allow those morons to build 'military' bases near schools, hospitals and mosques?

Tell me, huh?

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I can hardly wait until the New President takes over. Then we can blame him for the American War Materials being used by the Israelis.

Just like the stuff we sold to Saddam.


No exchanges without a receipt!

[Edwina's Secretary]

Instead of CD try, People that get dead because THEIR people are morons.

This btw...was the kind of crap I was referring to. People who get dead because THEIR people are morons?

Disgusting.

[caseysmom]

This btw...was the kind of crap I was referring to. People who get dead because THEIR people are morons?

Disgusting.

That is most likely the same logic the folks used who blew up the world trade center, I sure don't think that way.

[Grace]

Richard got the basics down for you.

After WWII, The United Nations Special Commission on Palestine recommended that Palestine be divided into an Arab state and a Jewish state. The commission called for Jerusalem to be put under international administration The UN General Assembly adopted this plan on Nov. 29, 1947, owing to support of both the US and the Soviet Union, and in particular, the personal support of US President Harry S. Truman.

As you can imagine, the Jews loved this plan; the Arabs not so much.

On May 14, 1948, the British left; Israel declared they were an independent state, and the modern wars began. Israel and the Palestinians have been fighting ever since.

[RICHARD]

On May 14, 1948, the British left; Israel declared they were an independent state, and the modern wars began. Israel and the Palestinians have been fighting ever since.

Thanks, So maybe I was in the ballpark?


Let me clarify the "people that get dead" comment.

The terrorists get THEIR OWN PEOPLE DEAD because they do not give a shiat about them.

They build and hide terrorists shops that make the rockets, bombs and hide the mortars that they shoot into Israel.

When the Israeli's come back and blow the crap out of those sites the Hamas and every other goofball group start using the stupid media to say that innocent people were killed in a "directed" attack on those sites.

The goofballs shoot the rockets and mortars, which are random shots into neighborhood. When you have AHs that hide behind the skirts of women and the collection of the elderly and children to pull off some chicken shiat attacks on innocent people, how can they claim that they are being abused/killed/persecuted?

That's the nonsense that starts all the wars and problems in the area.

A bunch of lowlife turds that are not held responsible for their actions.

[Lady's Human]

I suspect some people who know less than I will express opinions nonetheless.

And that was appropriate how?

Just returning fire, that's all.

[lizbud]

Oh, by the way, I did find one explanation of the conflict. It's a CBS article.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n4690817.shtml

[sasvermont]

It is not so simple.

http://www.mideastweb.org/briefhistory.htm

[caseysmom]

That's it, I've had enough.

I'm tired of the double standard which exists here.

Had I said that about a woman on this board I'd have had my head handed to me in an instant.

You constantly insult people, and constantly use condescending language when referrig to a few posters in particular.

How in hell you get away with it I have no idea, but I've had enough.

Take your elitist crap and find another place to peddle your superiority complex.

For the record I think that you did not deserve that comment Lady's Human and even though we sometimes disagree you treat the other side with respect that you are debating with.

[jennielynn1970]

My ex was a Palestinian living in Egypt.

There was a time where Palestinians were not allowed to get back into Palestine because Palestine wasn't considered a "country" and those people who were traveling or out of country were considered a refuge. His status, before he became an American citizen, was still a Palestinian Refugee.

Everything that I gathered from him, and a lot of it was more than I really wanted to know because it turned into a lecture at times. However, that being said, he really did know a lot about the circumstance. His grandfather also does journalism and radio talks about Palestinian causes (grandpa has lived here for over 40 years).

Almost of the strife you hear of now goes back to when the Jews were "given" the country of Palestine by after WWII. This is land they say they were promised in the Bible/Torah. However, there were people already living in that area, all over that area, and that area was called Palestine.

Instead of finding an area where they wouldn't be moving people out of their homes, it was decided to take all of the Palestinians and move them into a designated area, put them in refugee camps and basically remove all of their human rights. Much like what the Nazis did to the Jews.

Maybe it's just me, but how does what the Jews went through give them the right to do the same thing to another people?? I never understood that. It may have said in the Bible/Torah that you were supposed to be promised a certain land, but if someone else is already there, technically it's already taken, you can't just move them. At least I don't think you should be able to.

Why make others suffer because they had suffered??

My ex also had relatives who are Hamas. How about living in a shack of a house, and having no indication anything is going on, and in the middle of the night, a tank comes and plows down the house with the family in it? Killing everyone?? How does Israel get that right??


They have been, and will always be, fighting over the initial taking of the land. The Palestinians, and whomever else were there, deserve to have their land back. They deserve to live in homes, not refugee camps, not subjected to all the crap that they go through.

Just because in the Torah/Bible it said that the Israelis were promised that land by God, doesn't mean that another people should have been harmed to give it to them.

The whole thing makes me sick. The way one group treats the other. It just goes back and forth, and until the Palestinians get their land back, yes THEIR land, it's not going to stop, nor should it. I wouldn't want to be moved out of my house because in someone else's Bible it said it was "given" to them by God. I bought it, I live here, too bad, suck it up and go get your own place that no one is living in.

That's my take.


Wish my ex was around(he's visiting Egypt) cause he could write it out and explain it better than I could.

And yes, Palestinians are still considered refugees. From what I gathered in Egypt, citizenship was determined by the father, and my ex's father was Palestinian. His mom is Egyptian. Mom cannot give him citizenship (like we can here in the US). He was born in Kuwait, when his dad was working there, but is not a Kuwaiti citizen. His citizen ship goes with the father in Egypt, and his father is not an Egyptian. Citizenship over there is confusing.

[Karen]

I have deleted comments in this thread that were not appropriate for Pet Talk. Please remember to treat each other with respect.

[popcornbird]

Jenn Librarian, I completely agree with you. I have many, many Palestinian friends, and most of them have the same story. Refugees, kicked out of THEIR homeland. Everyone has the right to peace and safety in their land. Everyone has the right to peace and safety in their homes. Everyone has the right to defend their land and home from criminals. The Palestinians have suffered too long. They have been kicked out of the land that belonged to them. They were kicked out of their homes where they were raising up innocent families and children, and made into refugees, thrown into refugee camps to make room for foreigners who didn't belong there. Their homes were destroyed, family members killed. Why? Because the Jews think they're the chosen people, and that's the land God chose for them? Maybe its because of their crimes against humanity that God took the land away from them and gave it to another nation. The Israelis even hit a boat that was bringing in relief supplies for the victims in Gaza. Can you believe that?? Its a big shame. So many people have suffered in this conflict. So many children have been killed. And to think...this conflict wouldn't even exist if the land was just returned to its rightful owners. The Palestinians deserve to have their land returned to them.

The conflict in Palestine/Israel is just the fruit of injustice. Such situations will always arise when injustice is allowed to rule in the land. Only when injustice is abolished will peace prevail. God knows when and if that will ever happen. I don't see it happening in our lifetime. Its a sad, sad situation, and I pray for all those who are suffering for no crime of their own.

[Giselle]

]Why? Because the Jews think they're the chosen people, and that's the land God chose for them? Maybe its because of their crimes against humanity that God took the land away from them and gave it to another nation.

Hmm, that's a vengeful God that I'd rather not subscribe to. To each his/her own. *shrugs*

Interesting info and perspectives. It's rather difficult maintaining objectivity in this situation, isn't it? Hmm, I will be perusing the aforementioned links in the meantime.