Why did you vote for Obama or not...?

[RICHARD]

I went to bed thinking about this thread.....

I have to say something about the Mexican community. I know it well.
MY dad was an I!!E@G@! -Apparently there is an effort afoot to prevent the word illegal from being used in courts all across the country- and he made it a priority that his kids get a good life here in the Good Old United States. There is a very disturbing trend at identifying all illegals as "mexicans". More on that later on.

The new adjectives for people who cross the border are, Undocumented, Misplaced, Forced out.......and so on! LOL, the next legal term for a murderer will be a "Denier of Life".

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The phrase "drop a kid" is more a slam against the kid, than it is against the mother or a race/culture. The first person who suggested that it may smack of racism needs to look first at where the phrase came from.

Somewhere-I do believe I heard it start somewhere in the San Diego media-someone tossed out the term anchor baby. Is that a slam against sailors?
Heavy metal objects used to hold boats/ships in place? Drop a baby? Not too enamoured of that term, but these days the vernacular tends to make things/circumstances nice, neat little packages that will get the news reader under the three-minute-per-story-time limit.

I actually have more of a problem with the tone of the post - As you may all know, Dolly Parton modeled her look after the streetwalkers/prostitutes of her town. What does that say about her?

The post was intended to shock and to make people really upset. It really doesn't bother me. I understand the irritation in the comments-I have to laugh at the Indian doctor/Calcutta reference-that's probably not true-most of the young Indian docs were born here and went to school in the U.S.

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I am all for immigration, green cards, visas and all the other good stuff that brings productivity and prosperity to our country. But you have to start at the top and parsing some of the blame where it belongs.

The government-elected officials and laws- have been very lax about the rules covering immigration. Some who want to curb the problem are "racists" others who want to enact laws protecting the illegality of what is happening are the people who are looking for the 'destruction' of what we have now in the country.

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I don't want to go on because it's all stuff we have hashed out before-but one thing that makes me laugh.

Si Se Puede is a term that the Mexican population coined a few years back in an effort to win back the government from the AH people in charge.

It's an incomplete thought-Yes It Can-It should be Si Se Puede Hacer- Yes It Can Be Done. So right there I shake my head at the 'value' of the phrase.

It evolves into a rallying cry for our election, and again it's an incomplete thought, Yes We Can-Can what? Now people will say it's incomplete because it opens up the possibility of being able to do anything, but incomplete ideas like that are just that, incomplete ideas.

Si Se Puede? Not anytime soon, the same people who looked to wrestle control back to the people in Mexico are the ones dying everyday in Tijuana, in the wars between the drug cartels. The buzz on the spanish language channels was to support the BO run for office because the Dems were looking at amnesty for everyone in some way.

The interviews from the Illegal Man on the Street were telling, Maybe the new presidente los va dar derechos!!!! The illegals were looking at the new president to give them rights!

Which brings us to the idea of granting rights to people who are here illegally.

They should be granted HUMAN RIGHTS, but extending them the privileges that we have earned, bled and payed for seems to defeat some of the ideas we have about living in the U.S.

This is a tough subject to broach and there are arguements on both sides that are to be listened to, but I tend to look at the statements made more as a slam against people in general. The pinpointing of a certain group-Mexicans- show a certain degree of ignorance regarding the total picture. I don't take it personally and think it just reflects the ideas the media puts out about people.

Anyone that speaks spanish is Mexican, so, if all illegals speak spanish?

I guess that could be a racist statement, but I have always thought that some of the more racist statements are ground in fact. Wetback, Beaner, Taco Bender-the term "Wada" is the spanish equivalent of the N-word. The Hispanic population use it freely, without the drama attached to the N-word. We tend to shrug our shoulders and get back to work. We cannot argue with the terms because they are based in who and what we are. I am a Beaner, but not a wetback-That is the way the Border Patrol would I.D. the people who had just made it across the river to the U.S., I am a taco bender-it's just words.

I am not offended, If you want to hurt me, tell me that as a citizen I cannot partake in what I contribute to. That will make me mad-and maybe the next time you bite into a taco or burrito, or eat rice and beans-think about the nice people who brought you the idea.

Otherwise, we are taking back California, Texas, Nevada and Colorado, Keep Utah and Florida. We don't do well in hurricanes or snow.

[carole]

Marigold whether there is truth in what you say or not, could you please use a little more tact in this thread, i did not start this thread so it could end up like this, now it is just becoming tacky and offensive to people and not informative at all,there are ways of saying things,without causing people to become upset.

[blue]

Otherwise, we are taking back California, Texas, Nevada and Colorado, Keep Utah and Florida. We don't do well in hurricanes or snow.

BS! Working in construction, Ive come across many Mexicans that do quite well here.

[kitten645]

"Yes We Can-Can what?"


Just for the record, this is what Obama believes "Yes We Can"

"But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been
anything false about hope. For when we have faced down impossible
odds; when we've been told that we're not ready, or that we shouldn't
try, or that we can't, generations of Americans have responded with a
simple creed that sums up the spirit of a people.

Yes we can.

It was a creed written into the founding documents that declared the
destiny of a nation.

Yes we can.

It was whispered by slaves and abolitionists as they blazed a trail
toward freedom through the darkest of nights.

Yes we can.

It was sung by immigrants as they struck out from distant shores and
pioneers who pushed westward against an unforgiving wilderness.

Yes we can.

It was the call of workers who organized; women who reached for the
ballot; a President who chose the moon as our new frontier; and a King who took us to the mountaintop and pointed the way to the Promised Land.

Yes we can to justice and equality. Yes we can to opportunity and
prosperity. Yes we can heal this nation. Yes we can repair this
world. Yes we can.

And so tomorrow, as we take this campaign South and West; as we learn
that the struggles of the textile worker in Spartanburg are not so
different than the plight of the dishwasher in Las Vegas; that the
hopes of the little girl who goes to a crumbling school in Dillon are
the same as the dreams of the boy who learns on the streets of LA; we
will remember that there is something happening in America; that we
are not as divided as our politics suggests; that we are one people;
we are one nation; and together, we will begin the next great chapter
in America's story with three words that will ring from coast to
coast; from sea to shining sea - Yes. We. Can"

I also like a quote from earlier in the speach where he said "We can disagree without being disagreeable." I think that's far better than agreeing to disagree.

[blue]

[blue]

that the
hopes of the little girl who goes to a crumbling school in Dillon are
the same as the dreams of the boy who learns on the streets of LA;

Is this why his daughters go to private schools?

[RICHARD]

Thank you!

"Yes we can" is a pile of warm steaming puckey that only BTB can make happen, because he is a cartoon. What BO believes in, and what he can make happen are two different things.


"Yes we can" is a media/modern phenomenon, the humanity that is thought to have utter the phrase was more worried about being caught and subject to the laws of the day-"Yes we can" was more "Hope we aren't caught".

I want everyone to be able to afford their lifestyles and have enough income to live without worry. Who is the bigger AH? A stupid Am-Mex or the president elect? When he makes things 'happen' PM me, I will publically apologize to you.
All in all, it's just a speech. There has not been one major U.S. Politician that has made any difference in race relations in the past 50 years.

Dude.
YOU have seen the guys that bust arse at the 'site'; They are the 'sign language' workers who shake their heads "yes" and do what is pantomined to them-I remember what a college basketball coach said about athletes that had Hispanic roots. Paraphrased here-"I wish they had more height, They have heart, but aren't tall enough."

BO's riding on the coat tails of any and all movements for equality or human rights is nothing but political horseshiat. It's the same ride the Jackson and Sharpton have taken for the last 25 years. If they were humble and honest about gaining equality for the 'downtrodden', we would not be having this conversation. To pin the hopes on one person to end years of hate and social/race oppression is too funny to even comment on.

I have a better chance of pulling flying monkeys out of my urethra than the incoming president has of making things all 'sugar and spice' after 150 years of stupidity...

What I believe will fill volumes of fiction. I guess I can be president now?

[blue]

"Yes we can" is a media/modern phenomenon, the humanity that is thought to have utter the phrase was more worried about being caught and subject to the laws of the day-"Yes we can" was more "Hope we aren't caught".

From 1972.