Why did you vote for Obama or not...?

[Edwina's Secretary]

It's kind of funny because she talks about how these third world countries who have no source of education should just know better but here in the US and in Canada we HAVE all that education yet many people STILL get pregnant because they just don't use it or "don't have access" to it.

Yes, I can think of a recent example of this!

[blue]

Yes, I can think of a recent example of this!

And Im sure it brought you great joy.

[RICHARD]

A little more on our FA attitude-

On this thread there is a pretty decent cross section of what "America" is all about. We have all these wonderful ideas, fashions and fads that travel all around the world that suck everyone else into out ideals, waste and stupidity.

Where else in the world do parents buy kids a cell phone so the little effer can disrupt class, get it lost, stolen or broken? We have the luxury of sending a kid to his room to suffer the consequences for misbehaving, right?

Yep, Ipod, Blackberry, PC, XBox, cell phone, DVD player and all that stuff in the room?

Turn off all your crap and live out of a tent for a week? Cook over a bovine dung fire? Poop into a hole in the ground? How's about you women for those few days outta the month? Call in sick and lie in bed with the remote.

Then think about your 3-4 days of cramps and what are the kids going to eat, what you will cook for them, the cow crap you have to gather for a fire, water to fetch-did I forget the cows to milk? Sheep to herd? Oh please, It's just a big s-e-x party for all the people in the country formerly known as Africa. IT's just s-e-x everyday, pop out kids and have more fun.


Here's a one for you.

How many of us have ever used a wood out house and picked the splinters outta the back of your thighs for a while after? A campground crapper made out of brick and stinking to high heaven was better than THAT pain in the as----uh, thighs.

'We' will dismiss a set of people by making some silly statement about how they live and why they don't get religion/BC/education/smart about s-e-x and really never investigate why they are stuck in the situation they are in.

It's more arrogance than ignorance. Uninformed people will learn, vain people might learn, but what is more dangerous? Stupid people who act smart or smart people that act stupid?

The old saying that KNOWLEDGE IS POWER is apropo these days.

People here in the U.S. know we are getting screwed over by some people in office. Some people across the planet don't even know who is in charge-no one to blame, no one to set 'the record' right, no government, advocate, voice to speak for them.

And because we can, let's just bypass the governments that make their lives hell and blame it on the people who live there. IT's far easier, we don't have to beef with anyone and we can keep our soldiers home.

I have to laugh at all you fricking gomers out there who believe that everyone is going to be our friend now that we will have a new government seated.
Every AH will be looking toward our new benevolent 'change' in political position now.

And what a position it will be....Can you say BOHICA?

[Marigold2]

The choice on weather or not to have children is one of our rights as humans.
A young couple in Mexico in a shanty town could sit down and say to themselves "we want more, we want a better life for our children" and work to achieve that before having a child. It starts with two people dreaming and working for something better. It has to do with personal responsiblity that we all have to take.
And yes I know about laws and sects and how a 12 year old will be sent out to make a living for her family. That is not what I am talking about.
I am talking about people who have a choice but don't act upon it.
Generations after generations not learning, no personal growth, no will to improve their lives or their childrens lives. You see this all over the world from our country as well. In America it's generation after generation living on welfare, grandmother, mother and teenage daughter all living in one home and not one has finished highschool. It's Africia and Mexico where ever people choose sex over a decent life for their kids. You can't force these people to become more responsible it has to come from within.

[JenBKR]

In any case, ES, my point was that many missionaries DO hand out condoms, but that's as far as they can go. They can't put the condoms on people, all they can do is try to educate. Sometimes it works, sometimes not.

[caseysmom]

The choice on weather or not to have children is one of our rights as humans.
A young couple in Mexico in a shanty town could sit down and say to themselves "we want more, we want a better life for our children" and work to achieve that before having a child. It starts with two people dreaming and working for something better. It has to do with personal responsiblity that we all have to take.
And yes I know about laws and sects and how a 12 year old will be sent out to make a living for her family. That is not what I am talking about.
I am talking about people who have a choice but don't act upon it.
Generations after generations not learning, no personal growth, no will to improve their lives or their childrens lives. You see this all over the world from our country as well. In America it's generation after generation living on welfare, grandmother, mother and teenage daughter all living in one home and not one has finished highschool. It's Africia and Mexico where ever people choose sex over a decent life for their kids. You can't force these people to become more responsible it has to come from within.

You can't force people to learn the english language properly either, that has to come from within.

[RICHARD]

I am talking about people who have a choice but don't act upon it.
Generations after generations not learning, no personal growth, no will to improve their lives or their childrens lives.

Show me where the governments of these country's has offered the population any assistance for these things. You have to have the infrastructure to allow people the 'personal growth' that you believe is so readily available.

Please, Your view of exactly what happens in a third world country is exactly what I alluded to earlier....You cannot have any idea as to what happens there unless you have traveled, spoken to people or have relatives who have endured that type of lifestyle.

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It's fun to be a young idealist.

I loved it until the world kicked me in the face while I was wearing my shades.
The cool ones-the kind that block out the stupid things on the planet.

[tatsxxx11]

"Barack served 8 years as an IL State Senator before being elected to the U.S. Senate.

He serves as a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Veterans Affairs Committee, Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, and Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee.

During his eight years in the Illinois state Senate, Senator Obama worked with both Democrats and Republicans to help working families get ahead by creating programs like the state Earned Income Tax Credit, which in three years provided over $100 million in tax cuts to families across the state. He also pushed through an expansion of early childhood education, and after a number of inmates on death row were found innocent, Senator Obama enlisted the support of law enforcement officials to draft legislation requiring the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases."

http://obama.senate.gov/about/

[RICHARD]

Carol,
Oh please!

There was a "Z'' in there someplace... I cannot differentiate from the accents. LOLOLOLOL, Middle Earth, New Zealand-IT's all the same to me.

Boy, I never paid attention to BO's prolific resume.

I couldn't get past his brio and the thought that it's like putting the guy that assembles the tricycles in Toys "R" Us as the head mechanic at the Harley Davidson dealership In Sturgis.

Sporster? Wide Glide?

BO tickled all the antiwar people's arses by PROMISING he would end the Iraq/Afghan involvement of the U.S. in 16 months, He's no miracle worker and he cannot wave a magic wand over all our problems.

People refuse to even THINK that the 9/11 attack was in the planning stages while Bill Clinton was still in office. So if there is blame to go around, spread it between BC and GWB= BC stripped the armed forces with budget cuts that forced out many of our soldiers and closed many military bases.

There are times when having a hindsight that only goes back eight years makes any arguement convincing.

[carole]

You are forgiven Richard, but like i said in my Pm to you , i can tell the difference between a canadian and an American,infact the aussie and NZer's do have a quite distinct differences in their accent,it may not be obvious to you, but it is to us,we say fush and chups they say feesh n cheeps., i am saying fish and chips, now that is just but one of many examples.i accept your humble excuses lol.

Anyhoo, back to the thread, i just heard him say yesterday , that he was getting rid of the prison where they are holding terrorists, cannot remember the name of it starts with a G,he said Americans don't torture, to quote him.

Hey Lizbud i understand, i actually like the man. we are on the same side, just pointing out that here and anywhere politicians make promise they really have no intention of keeping.,not singling Barack out, just in general that is what happens.

[JenBKR]

politicians make promise they really have no intention of keeping.,not singling Barack out, just in general that is what happens.

Oh I agree, seems that you hear so many promises that are never kept. I think that many politicians make promises that sound good, but when they get in office and get all of the private info, they realize that what they promised may not be possible, or in the best interest of the people. I think it would be pretty hard to make promises and keep them without having all of the facts first!

[RICHARD]

Anyhoo, back to the thread, i just heard him say yesterday , that he was getting rid of the prison where they are holding terrorists, cannot remember the name of it starts with a G,he said Americans don't torture, to quote him.

Guantanamo Bay in the SE part of Cuba. (this geography I know!).
It all depends on what you consider torture. There have been report of prisoners being subjected to sensory deprivation or sensory overloads. The Abu Gharib story was another story of American's "torturing" prisoners.

A few scumbags got it into their heads that it was O.K. to humiliate prisoners held there. IN theory what the world thinks is torture is a long way from the way that some governments and individuals have treated prisoners -war and other types- in the past.

I have no problems with any politico lying about things he will change once he wins office. It's the grandeur and 'change' that pulls the people in. ANd when you promise whiz-bang changes and back down before your first day on the job is very promising indeed. Our president elect will have no problem fitting into the mold of a politician.

[phesina]

You are forgiven Richard, but like i said in my Pm to you , i can tell the difference between a canadian and an American,infact the aussie and NZer's do have a quite distinct differences in their accent,it may not be obvious to you, but it is to us,we say fush and chups they say feesh n cheeps., i am saying fish and chips, now that is just but one of many examples.i accept your humble excuses lol.

This reminds me of about 30 years ago when I was hanging out in Doolin, Co. Clare, Ireland for a while. A lot of travelers passed through all the time, including quite a few from both Australia and New Zealand. One time while chatting with a couple of Kiwis, I mentioned that I'd noticed the New Zealanders always had their flag sewn onto their packs. "That's so people don't mistake us for Australian," they replied.

"Oh, yeah, like Canadians always have their flag on their packs so as not to be mistaken for Americans!" I said.

I can tell the difference between Australian and New Zealand accents.. I think I still can, anyway, at this point.. it's been quite a while now.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Sometimes religion is all the hope the people in third world countries have. They have been taught by their parents to believe certain things. Remember, they have no Internet access and may not have much contact with the world outside their communities. How can they think for themselves and know what they believe in if they have never heard there are even options?

Reminds me of a news clip I saw a few weeks ago. In one of the poor countries, they were starving to death. They grew amazing potato crops, however. They would not eat the potatoes themselves, preferring to starve to death just because they had the belief that the potatoes would make them fat. This makes no sense to me but apparently it does to them.
(I think this was on CNN but couldn't find the link)

[caseysmom]

Marigold, I am not sure why you keep bringing up mexico, have you spent much time there? Mexico does have poverty but they have a lot of good things there too, many of their priorities are a little bit better than the ones here imo.

Are you basing this on newsclip or have you spent a lot of time there?