Why did you vote for Obama or not...?

[caseysmom]

Thank You.

"We" have this effing elitist attitude about ourselves that people from around the planet have to laugh at.

IF you are forced to turn tricks to make a few bucks a month to make sure your kids get fed, you put your health and well being at risk, along with the chance that you will get knocked up because YOUR government/leaders/warlords don't give a flying shiat about you. Mix in some good ole tyme religion and you get what happens in the 'country of Africa' - extreme poverty.

It's way too easy to make a statement about a situation that you know nothing about. Some of us have walked among people and their world and it makes us appreciate all the stupidly simple things we all take for granted.

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The question is not why do these people keep having babies-It more like, "What will they do to keep them and themselves alive?"

There is nothing more powerful, that I have seen, than the love of a mother or a woman who has her back against the wall. I know that most of them will do anything for their families.

It's a shame that "we" have such a crappy, egotisical view of everyone else.

I love my country, but have to wonder about the people in it.


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Sorry kids!

You have to remember that s-e-x isn't the recreational sport that US "civilized" people think it is in 'the country of Africa'. More often than not, it's a way of life that keeps you in the game of life.

How sucky does that sound?

I totally agree with you especially this


It's a shame that "we" have such a crappy, egotisical view of everyone else.


The arrogance in marigold's post astounds me.

[sparks19]

I totally agree with you especially this


It's a shame that "we" have such a crappy, egotisical view of everyone else.


The arrogance in marigold's post astounds me.

I couldnt' agree more.

Unbelievable.

It's kind of funny because she talks about how these third world countries who have no source of education should just know better but here in the US and in Canada we HAVE all that education yet many people STILL get pregnant because they just don't use it or "don't have access" to it.

but we expect 3rd world countries who don't get the education to be better about it than we are.

[Edwina's Secretary]

It's kind of funny because she talks about how these third world countries who have no source of education should just know better but here in the US and in Canada we HAVE all that education yet many people STILL get pregnant because they just don't use it or "don't have access" to it.

Yes, I can think of a recent example of this!

[blue]

Yes, I can think of a recent example of this!

And Im sure it brought you great joy.

[RICHARD]

A little more on our FA attitude-

On this thread there is a pretty decent cross section of what "America" is all about. We have all these wonderful ideas, fashions and fads that travel all around the world that suck everyone else into out ideals, waste and stupidity.

Where else in the world do parents buy kids a cell phone so the little effer can disrupt class, get it lost, stolen or broken? We have the luxury of sending a kid to his room to suffer the consequences for misbehaving, right?

Yep, Ipod, Blackberry, PC, XBox, cell phone, DVD player and all that stuff in the room?

Turn off all your crap and live out of a tent for a week? Cook over a bovine dung fire? Poop into a hole in the ground? How's about you women for those few days outta the month? Call in sick and lie in bed with the remote.

Then think about your 3-4 days of cramps and what are the kids going to eat, what you will cook for them, the cow crap you have to gather for a fire, water to fetch-did I forget the cows to milk? Sheep to herd? Oh please, It's just a big s-e-x party for all the people in the country formerly known as Africa. IT's just s-e-x everyday, pop out kids and have more fun.


Here's a one for you.

How many of us have ever used a wood out house and picked the splinters outta the back of your thighs for a while after? A campground crapper made out of brick and stinking to high heaven was better than THAT pain in the as----uh, thighs.

'We' will dismiss a set of people by making some silly statement about how they live and why they don't get religion/BC/education/smart about s-e-x and really never investigate why they are stuck in the situation they are in.

It's more arrogance than ignorance. Uninformed people will learn, vain people might learn, but what is more dangerous? Stupid people who act smart or smart people that act stupid?

The old saying that KNOWLEDGE IS POWER is apropo these days.

People here in the U.S. know we are getting screwed over by some people in office. Some people across the planet don't even know who is in charge-no one to blame, no one to set 'the record' right, no government, advocate, voice to speak for them.

And because we can, let's just bypass the governments that make their lives hell and blame it on the people who live there. IT's far easier, we don't have to beef with anyone and we can keep our soldiers home.

I have to laugh at all you fricking gomers out there who believe that everyone is going to be our friend now that we will have a new government seated.
Every AH will be looking toward our new benevolent 'change' in political position now.

And what a position it will be....Can you say BOHICA?

[Marigold2]

The choice on weather or not to have children is one of our rights as humans.
A young couple in Mexico in a shanty town could sit down and say to themselves "we want more, we want a better life for our children" and work to achieve that before having a child. It starts with two people dreaming and working for something better. It has to do with personal responsiblity that we all have to take.
And yes I know about laws and sects and how a 12 year old will be sent out to make a living for her family. That is not what I am talking about.
I am talking about people who have a choice but don't act upon it.
Generations after generations not learning, no personal growth, no will to improve their lives or their childrens lives. You see this all over the world from our country as well. In America it's generation after generation living on welfare, grandmother, mother and teenage daughter all living in one home and not one has finished highschool. It's Africia and Mexico where ever people choose sex over a decent life for their kids. You can't force these people to become more responsible it has to come from within.

[JenBKR]

In any case, ES, my point was that many missionaries DO hand out condoms, but that's as far as they can go. They can't put the condoms on people, all they can do is try to educate. Sometimes it works, sometimes not.

[caseysmom]

The choice on weather or not to have children is one of our rights as humans.
A young couple in Mexico in a shanty town could sit down and say to themselves "we want more, we want a better life for our children" and work to achieve that before having a child. It starts with two people dreaming and working for something better. It has to do with personal responsiblity that we all have to take.
And yes I know about laws and sects and how a 12 year old will be sent out to make a living for her family. That is not what I am talking about.
I am talking about people who have a choice but don't act upon it.
Generations after generations not learning, no personal growth, no will to improve their lives or their childrens lives. You see this all over the world from our country as well. In America it's generation after generation living on welfare, grandmother, mother and teenage daughter all living in one home and not one has finished highschool. It's Africia and Mexico where ever people choose sex over a decent life for their kids. You can't force these people to become more responsible it has to come from within.

You can't force people to learn the english language properly either, that has to come from within.

[RICHARD]

I am talking about people who have a choice but don't act upon it.
Generations after generations not learning, no personal growth, no will to improve their lives or their childrens lives.

Show me where the governments of these country's has offered the population any assistance for these things. You have to have the infrastructure to allow people the 'personal growth' that you believe is so readily available.

Please, Your view of exactly what happens in a third world country is exactly what I alluded to earlier....You cannot have any idea as to what happens there unless you have traveled, spoken to people or have relatives who have endured that type of lifestyle.

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It's fun to be a young idealist.

I loved it until the world kicked me in the face while I was wearing my shades.
The cool ones-the kind that block out the stupid things on the planet.

[tatsxxx11]

"Barack served 8 years as an IL State Senator before being elected to the U.S. Senate.

He serves as a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Veterans Affairs Committee, Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, and Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee.

During his eight years in the Illinois state Senate, Senator Obama worked with both Democrats and Republicans to help working families get ahead by creating programs like the state Earned Income Tax Credit, which in three years provided over $100 million in tax cuts to families across the state. He also pushed through an expansion of early childhood education, and after a number of inmates on death row were found innocent, Senator Obama enlisted the support of law enforcement officials to draft legislation requiring the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases."

http://obama.senate.gov/about/

[RICHARD]

Carol,
Oh please!

There was a "Z'' in there someplace... I cannot differentiate from the accents. LOLOLOLOL, Middle Earth, New Zealand-IT's all the same to me.

Boy, I never paid attention to BO's prolific resume.

I couldn't get past his brio and the thought that it's like putting the guy that assembles the tricycles in Toys "R" Us as the head mechanic at the Harley Davidson dealership In Sturgis.

Sporster? Wide Glide?

BO tickled all the antiwar people's arses by PROMISING he would end the Iraq/Afghan involvement of the U.S. in 16 months, He's no miracle worker and he cannot wave a magic wand over all our problems.

People refuse to even THINK that the 9/11 attack was in the planning stages while Bill Clinton was still in office. So if there is blame to go around, spread it between BC and GWB= BC stripped the armed forces with budget cuts that forced out many of our soldiers and closed many military bases.

There are times when having a hindsight that only goes back eight years makes any arguement convincing.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Sometimes religion is all the hope the people in third world countries have. They have been taught by their parents to believe certain things. Remember, they have no Internet access and may not have much contact with the world outside their communities. How can they think for themselves and know what they believe in if they have never heard there are even options?

Reminds me of a news clip I saw a few weeks ago. In one of the poor countries, they were starving to death. They grew amazing potato crops, however. They would not eat the potatoes themselves, preferring to starve to death just because they had the belief that the potatoes would make them fat. This makes no sense to me but apparently it does to them.
(I think this was on CNN but couldn't find the link)

[caseysmom]

Marigold, I am not sure why you keep bringing up mexico, have you spent much time there? Mexico does have poverty but they have a lot of good things there too, many of their priorities are a little bit better than the ones here imo.

Are you basing this on newsclip or have you spent a lot of time there?

[Marigold2]

No I have never been to Mexico and don't think I would ever go. I don't like beaches or warm weather.
My comment had to do with all the Mexicans coming here accross our boarder and first thing they do is drop a kid so they can stay. I wish more of them would try and make their country a place they can be proud of instead of one they want to leave.
As for the other comments.
There are many fine examples of people before the interent, before everyone had a TV or even a newspaper, people who went against the grain and made a positive difference, education or no education.
Dolly Parton comes to mind. She grew up very poor, in a small town and instead of having 14 kids she wanted something better for herself. Oprah is another example as is Obama. He grew up without a father, of mixed race which back then was unheard of in my corner of the world and instead of turning to drugs or having children he turned to growth and education. All of these people started life with no money and all became wonderful, and postive people.
Money, education do not make a good person or intellignet person. Michael Landon and Carol Burnett are two more examples of people who had sad and poor starts but pulled themselves up and made a positive effect on this world.
No matter where you live, or what you have to deal with people have to take the first step and say to themselves I can be different, I can overcome, this does not have to be my life. I don't have to do what my parents did. All it takes is a bit of brains and some hard work and a dream for something better. The government is not soley responable for peoples well being and happiness. Birth control as you said can be given out but if people don't use it then they are going to remain poor. People need to want to change, it has to be something in their soul if you will. I am sure many of the Dr's we have in this country grew up on the poor streets of Calcutta and pulled themselves up and out.
Kennedy had one of the best speeches ever. Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. And if you think about it, most of the people we admire, truly look up to have followed that advice.

Marigold, I am not sure why you keep bringing up mexico, have you spent much time there? Mexico does have poverty but they have a lot of good things there too, many of their priorities are a little bit better than the ones here imo.

Are you basing this on newsclip or have you spent a lot of time there?

[Edwina's Secretary]

And Im sure it brought you great joy.

Oh! Nice eye roll. No. I find unwed teenage mothers one of the bigger problems in this country. An unwed teenage mother runs a greater chance of living in poverty, living off welfare, raising children who are more likely to have many, many problems.

I am an advocate of adoption for the child of an unwed teenage mother. I find nothing admirable in an unwed teenage mother. I find it sad.

If I could work in any field...I would work to convince teenagers that there is more to life than getting pregnant and having your baby as your date to the prom.