Why did you vote for Obama or not...?

[Edwina's Secretary]

ES, I certaintly understand the needs of the birds and bees. But I would find a way to put those aside for the life of my children or child.
On the other hand expecting teenagers to "just say no" is being naive.

Yes, you probably would find a different way. But you are not living the life people do in third world countries. And, as you understand that expecting teeangers to just say "no" is naive you surely understand that many of "those people" are merely teenagers as well. Life expectancy being what it is and all.

I think to have no compassion or pity because they do not know how to control the size of their families (other than total abstinence) is a bit...short-sighted?

I have never understood why missionaries and other religious/aid workers do not hand out birth control as the first thing. But that is for another thread.

[Marigold2]

LOL I am short sighted, been wearing glasses for years.
I am one of those people that when told it can't be done or you shouldn't do that, well that is a challage and I love challages, builds charactor, strength and it's fun as all get out.

[JenBKR]

I have never understood why missionaries and other religious/aid workers do not hand out birth control as the first thing. But that is for another thread.

They do - many hand out condoms. However, some don't believe in birth control (mostly a sect of Catholics, I believe).

[Puckstop31]

I recall, during my time in Somalia... Remember, this was 1993/1994

We would find large amounts of unsed comdoms, still in wrappers. They were given to the "skinnies" by UN sponsored aid organizations. Why were they not used? The "Great Satan" wanted them to use them. Their Clerics told them Allah would disown them if they did....

Never forget that what WE (the west) see as reasonable rarely applies to the average 3rd world nation...

[caseysmom]

I recall, during my time in Somalia... Remember, this was 1993/1994

We would find large amounts of unsed comdoms, still in wrappers. They were given to the "skinnies" by UN sponsored aid organizations. Why were they not used? The "Great Satan" wanted them to use them. Their Clerics told them Allah would disown them if they did....

Never forget that what WE (the west) see as reasonable rarely applies to the average 3rd world nation...

This is exactly what I meant by education, not knowing that having sex causes babies, rather knowing whom to trust and the knowledge to base those decisions, not being told if you do these things you will go to hell.

[JenBKR]

This is exactly what I meant by education, not knowing that having sex causes babies, rather knowing whom to trust and the knowledge to base those decisions, not being told if you do these things you will go to hell.

Exactly!

[carole]

Marigold where as i respect your view, i think you are the one being naive here,I agree 100 per cent they should not keep on having children they cannot afford, seems such a simple answer and solution, but it is not as simple as that,more complicated than we can imagine.

[Marigold2]

Being Lutheran I know that we are allowed to use birth control and do.
I guess I just expect too much from people. If a religon forbids birth control and your children are dying it's time to use your God given brain and say "What up with that" would a true, kind, just, forgiving, understanding God want this? I guess if you are brainwashed into thinking you will go to hell there isn't much help for you. Religon can often do more harm then good when not mixed with good ole fashioned common sense.
Sometimes the answer is simple. Be good, be kind, be smart. Don't follow everything a religon says, otherwise you follow a falsh belief.

[RICHARD]

Never forget that what WE (the west) see as reasonable rarely applies to the average 3rd world nation...

Thank You.

"We" have this effing elitist attitude about ourselves that people from around the planet have to laugh at.

IF you are forced to turn tricks to make a few bucks a month to make sure your kids get fed, you put your health and well being at risk, along with the chance that you will get knocked up because YOUR government/leaders/warlords don't give a flying shiat about you. Mix in some good ole tyme religion and you get what happens in the 'country of Africa' - extreme poverty.

It's way too easy to make a statement about a situation that you know nothing about. Some of us have walked among people and their world and it makes us appreciate all the stupidly simple things we all take for granted.

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The question is not why do these people keep having babies-It more like, "What will they do to keep them and themselves alive?"

There is nothing more powerful, that I have seen, than the love of a mother or a woman who has her back against the wall. I know that most of them will do anything for their families.

It's a shame that "we" have such a crappy, egotisical view of everyone else.

I love my country, but have to wonder about the people in it.


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Sorry kids!

You have to remember that s-e-x isn't the recreational sport that US "civilized" people think it is in 'the country of Africa'. More often than not, it's a way of life that keeps you in the game of life.

How sucky does that sound?

[caseysmom]

Thank You.

"We" have this effing elitist attitude about ourselves that people from around the planet have to laugh at.

IF you are forced to turn tricks to make a few bucks a month to make sure your kids get fed, you put your health and well being at risk, along with the chance that you will get knocked up because YOUR government/leaders/warlords don't give a flying shiat about you. Mix in some good ole tyme religion and you get what happens in the 'country of Africa' - extreme poverty.

It's way too easy to make a statement about a situation that you know nothing about. Some of us have walked among people and their world and it makes us appreciate all the stupidly simple things we all take for granted.

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The question is not why do these people keep having babies-It more like, "What will they do to keep them and themselves alive?"

There is nothing more powerful, that I have seen, than the love of a mother or a woman who has her back against the wall. I know that most of them will do anything for their families.

It's a shame that "we" have such a crappy, egotisical view of everyone else.

I love my country, but have to wonder about the people in it.


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Sorry kids!

You have to remember that s-e-x isn't the recreational sport that US "civilized" people think it is in 'the country of Africa'. More often than not, it's a way of life that keeps you in the game of life.

How sucky does that sound?

I totally agree with you especially this


It's a shame that "we" have such a crappy, egotisical view of everyone else.


The arrogance in marigold's post astounds me.

[sparks19]

I totally agree with you especially this


It's a shame that "we" have such a crappy, egotisical view of everyone else.


The arrogance in marigold's post astounds me.

I couldnt' agree more.

Unbelievable.

It's kind of funny because she talks about how these third world countries who have no source of education should just know better but here in the US and in Canada we HAVE all that education yet many people STILL get pregnant because they just don't use it or "don't have access" to it.

but we expect 3rd world countries who don't get the education to be better about it than we are.

[Edwina's Secretary]

It's kind of funny because she talks about how these third world countries who have no source of education should just know better but here in the US and in Canada we HAVE all that education yet many people STILL get pregnant because they just don't use it or "don't have access" to it.

Yes, I can think of a recent example of this!

[Edwina's Secretary]

They do - many hand out condoms. However, some don't believe in birth control (mostly a sect of Catholics, I believe).

Just for the record...there are not "sects" of Catholics. And the Catholic church is opposed to all artificial birth control.

[JenBKR]

Just for the record...there are not "sects" of Catholics. And the Catholic church is opposed to all artificial birth control.

Actually, there are. Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Lutheran, to name a few. Some are very strict and traditional, some more lenient. I believe that Lutherans are allowed birth contol.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Actually, there are. Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Lutheran, to name a few. Some are very strict and traditional, some more lenient. I believe that Lutherans are allowed birth contol.

No. Lutherans are not a sect of the Catholic faith. Martin Luther broke off from the Catholic faith hundred of years ago.

Christianity once meant Catholic. No longer. Not for hundreds of years.

There are Roman Catholics, Greek Orthodox Catholics, Russian Orthodox Catholics, Lutherans, Baptist, Episcopalians, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses and dozens and dozens of other religions under the overarching "Christians."

But they are not "sects" of The Catholic faith.