Why did you vote for Obama or not...?

**Marigold2** · 11-13-2008, 07:00 PM

Humans have known for over 7000 years how and where babies come from. Millions of people know the answer to this question without ever seeing a book or having a test.
If people in Mexico and Africia can't afford a child they should keep their pants on and their hands busy trying to make their life better.
I just cannot understand how anyone could bring a child into this world knowing it will starve to death, that is murder and the adults need to put their urges aside and find a way to make their lives better.
I have no pity for these people.

**Edwina's Secretary** · 11-13-2008, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by Marigold2

Humans have known for over 7000 years how and where babies come from. Millions of people know the answer to this question without ever seeing a book or having a test.
If people in Mexico and Africia can't afford a child they should keep their pants on and their hands busy trying to make their life better.
I just cannot understand how anyone could bring a child into this world knowing it will starve to death, that is murder and the adults need to put their urges aside and find a way to make their lives better.
I have no pity for these people.

I have to disagree with you on this Marigold. There are many places on this earth where women do not have the power to refuse sex with their husbands.

There is also the issue of biology. Organism are driven to reproduce. It is why they exist. The imperative to reproduce is as strong as that for food and water.

I agree with the idea that people should only have children they and the planet can afford. But then reality intrudes.

**Marigold2** · 11-13-2008, 07:46 PM

ES, I certaintly understand the needs of the birds and bees. But I would find a way to put those aside for the life of my children or child.
On the other hand expecting teenagers to "just say no" is being naive.

**Edwina's Secretary** · 11-13-2008, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by Marigold2

ES, I certaintly understand the needs of the birds and bees. But I would find a way to put those aside for the life of my children or child.
On the other hand expecting teenagers to "just say no" is being naive.

Yes, you probably would find a different way. But you are not living the life people do in third world countries. And, as you understand that expecting teeangers to just say "no" is naive you surely understand that many of "those people" are merely teenagers as well. Life expectancy being what it is and all.

I think to have no compassion or pity because they do not know how to control the size of their families (other than total abstinence) is a bit...short-sighted?

I have never understood why missionaries and other religious/aid workers do not hand out birth control as the first thing. But that is for another thread.

**Marigold2** · 11-13-2008, 08:01 PM

LOL I am short sighted, been wearing glasses for years.

I am one of those people that when told it can't be done or you shouldn't do that, well that is a challage and I love challages, builds charactor, strength and it's fun as all get out.

**JenBKR** · 11-13-2008, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary

I have never understood why missionaries and other religious/aid workers do not hand out birth control as the first thing. But that is for another thread.

They do - many hand out condoms. However, some don't believe in birth control (mostly a sect of Catholics, I believe).

**Puckstop31** · 11-13-2008, 09:01 PM

I recall, during my time in Somalia... Remember, this was 1993/1994

We would find large amounts of unsed comdoms, still in wrappers. They were given to the "skinnies" by UN sponsored aid organizations. Why were they not used? The "Great Satan" wanted them to use them. Their Clerics told them Allah would disown them if they did....

Never forget that what WE (the west) see as reasonable rarely applies to the average 3rd world nation...

**caseysmom** · 11-13-2008, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by Puckstop31

I recall, during my time in Somalia... Remember, this was 1993/1994

We would find large amounts of unsed comdoms, still in wrappers. They were given to the "skinnies" by UN sponsored aid organizations. Why were they not used? The "Great Satan" wanted them to use them. Their Clerics told them Allah would disown them if they did....

Never forget that what WE (the west) see as reasonable rarely applies to the average 3rd world nation...

This is exactly what I meant by education, not knowing that having sex causes babies, rather knowing whom to trust and the knowledge to base those decisions, not being told if you do these things you will go to hell.

**RICHARD** · 11-13-2008, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by Puckstop31

Never forget that what WE (the west) see as reasonable rarely applies to the average 3rd world nation...

Thank You.

"We" have this effing elitist attitude about ourselves that people from around the planet have to laugh at.

IF you are forced to turn tricks to make a few bucks a month to make sure your kids get fed, you put your health and well being at risk, along with the chance that you will get knocked up because YOUR government/leaders/warlords don't give a flying shiat about you. Mix in some good ole tyme religion and you get what happens in the 'country of Africa' - extreme poverty.

It's way too easy to make a statement about a situation that you know nothing about. Some of us have walked among people and their world and it makes us appreciate all the stupidly simple things we all take for granted.

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The question is not why do these people keep having babies-It more like, "What will they do to keep them and themselves alive?"

There is nothing more powerful, that I have seen, than the love of a mother or a woman who has her back against the wall. I know that most of them will do anything for their families.

It's a shame that "we" have such a crappy, egotisical view of everyone else.

I love my country, but have to wonder about the people in it.

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Sorry kids!

You have to remember that s-e-x isn't the recreational sport that US "civilized" people think it is in 'the country of Africa'. More often than not, it's a way of life that keeps you in the game of life.

How sucky does that sound?

**Edwina's Secretary** · 11-13-2008, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by JenBKR

They do - many hand out condoms. However, some don't believe in birth control (mostly a sect of Catholics, I believe).

Just for the record...there are not "sects" of Catholics. And the Catholic church is opposed to all artificial birth control.

**JenBKR** · 11-13-2008, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary

Just for the record...there are not "sects" of Catholics. And the Catholic church is opposed to all artificial birth control.

Actually, there are. Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Lutheran, to name a few. Some are very strict and traditional, some more lenient. I believe that Lutherans are allowed birth contol.

**caseysmom** · 11-13-2008, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by Marigold2

Humans have known for over 7000 years how and where babies come from. Millions of people know the answer to this question without ever seeing a book or having a test.
If people in Mexico and Africia can't afford a child they should keep their pants on and their hands busy trying to make their life better.
I just cannot understand how anyone could bring a child into this world knowing it will starve to death, that is murder and the adults need to put their urges aside and find a way to make their lives better.
I have no pity for these people.

Wow I can't even respond to this in a kind manner so I won't.