The 2nd Amendment

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All misdirection aside, I see Pucks point.

Without the Second Amendment our rights mean nothing. Without the 2nd Amendment we have nothing to make sure our rights mean anything. Without the 2nd Amendment we are pawns at best and slaves at worst.

Puck can correct me if I am wrong, but without the 2nd Amendment we would live under a tyrannical government and not a democratic republic.

[Puckstop31]

All misdirection aside, I see Pucks point.

Without the Second Amendment our rights mean nothing. Without the 2nd Amendment we have nothing to make sure our rights mean anything. Without the 2nd Amendment we are pawns at best and slaves at worst.

Puck can correct me if I am wrong, but without the 2nd Amendment we would live under a tyrannical government and not a democratic republic.

Like I said, I believe the 2nd Amendment is our FIRST freedom.

A repeal of the 2nd Amendment does not directly mean we then live under a dictator... But it would remove a MAJOR obstacle to any aspiring dictator.

Now ask me if I think the left will openly try to outright repeal the 2nd Amendment? Not likely. It would be political suicide at best, or lead to a real civil war at worst. No, they re going tp pick at it. They are going to use the courts, like they always do with their really radical stuff, because they know they could never get any of it past the voters. That is the real shame. I reckon that is why the "cost of freedom is eternal vigilence".

Finally, like I have said before, I am not worried. If my country chooses to make me a criminal for owning certain inanimate objects, so be it. There are MILLIONS of people who share my feelings on this particular issue. I would rather die free than live a slave.

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Here is the archived link for Obama's transistion team agenda that was removed yesterday. Link, scroll down to CRIME AND LAW ENFORCEMENT.

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Pulled this from another board.

About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:

'A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.'

'A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.'

'From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.'

'The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years'

'During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:

1. From bondage to spiritual faith;

2. From spiritual faith to great courage;

3. From courage to liberty;

4. From liberty to abundance;

5. From abundance to complacency;

6. From complacency to apathy;

7. From apathy to dependence;

8. From dependence back into bondage.

[zippy-kat]

Here's a question for ya.

Say you were a single woman, living alone, in a city that has pretty much crime. What type of handgun would you recommend for personal safety reasons? Assuming that they would also take courses in how to handle a handgun as well.

Derringer - petite and "decorative" but there better be only one bad guy and you better be a heckuva shot!

Kidding aside, I have a taurus pistol that my dad bought/gave me after I completed a concealed carry course. (It's black. I'd wanted pink but dad said that would be adding insult to injury. ) I also qualified on my neighbor's revolver but I like the pistol better.

[smokey the elder]

I think (would need to verify) that the first thing the Third Reich did was totally outlaw guns. The Supreme Court did state that the Second Amendment did allow the individual right to bear arms. I think the Assault Weapons Ban is needed, but how enforceable is it? How enforceable are a lot of the firearms laws? For awhile they were talking about biometric triggers (only the gun owner could fire it.) Maybe technnology will help law-abiding folks vs. criminals where the law has failed.

[Lady's Human]

Why is any cosmetic ban needed? All the assault weapons ban did was to ban weapons based on cosmetic appearance, and had no effect on crime whatsoever (besides creating a new class of criminals).

The first time a biometric trigger fails in a self-defense situation will be the last time a manufacturer will put one on, as it opens up a host of liability issues.

[smokey the elder]

I can see how that would be a problem. Say the used a fingerprint. At Universal Studios, they have fingerprint readers for entry into the park and also to rent a locker. Those were tricky; if you didn't have your finger oriented the exact same way it would be invalid. I can see how being nervous when you need your gun to shoot the bad guy might cause it to fail!

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For those that think it cant happen here, many British and Australian citizens believe that it can.

Dont let This, happen here!

[RICHARD]

Not only biometric, but the 'ring' guns too- like the O'dwyer idea?

I can see some bobo taking off his ring or switching it to the other hand.

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The cosmetic thing is a joke too.

I was watching a special on violence and guns when NFL players are involved.
Some idiot gun dealer was showing his wares off to the reporter doing the interview..

He had a huge revolver with a scope mounted on it that was as long as the whole gun. The reporter asked him about the scope - apparently he had some knowledge about firearms and how stupid and useless it was on any handgun - the dealer laughed and told him that it was the gun that the players asked about the most.

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The NRA may not be the fairest, most non biased lobbiest group in America.

Since it seems our votes mean less then lobbiest dollars and I dont see an end to that anytime soon I am once again a member of the NRA as of a few hours ago. I now have not only voted but also put my money down to pay for politics and policy.