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[Catty1]

PCB: If you do some checking around at your place of worship, or on the net, you will find many good parents who raised wonderful children, some of whom face telling their parents that they are gay. Many know this from the time they are 3 or 5, much younger than puberty.

The reality is - people are gay, and it may be one of your own children. What will you do then?

This excerpt is from the first link I posted several posts ago.

"The story that stabbed me in the heart most profoundly was from a woman who described herself as a conservative Christian who believes homosexuality is a sin. She said her daughter had come out to her as a lesbian and that in one terrible moment she had told her daughter, "After you get fixed you can come home again."

After that the daughter refused to have anything to do with the mother. The mother said, "I should have picked up my purse and my keys and drove 550 miles to make her talk to me but I didn't.". A year later her daughter was found dead hanging in her own closet, a suicide.

Will you love your children no matter what?

I think the following is well worth copying here.

On Children
Kahlil Gibran

Your children are not your children.
They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself.
They come through you but not from you,
And though they are with you yet they belong not to you.

You may give them your love but not your thoughts,
For they have their own thoughts.
You may house their bodies but not their souls,
For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow,
which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.
You may strive to be like them,
but seek not to make them like you.
For life goes not backward nor tarries with yesterday.

You are the bows from which your children
as living arrows are sent forth.
The archer sees the mark upon the path of the infinite,
and He bends you with His might
that His arrows may go swift and far.
Let our bending in the archer's hand be for gladness;
For even as He loves the arrow that flies,
so He loves also the bow that is stable.

[Daisy and Delilah]

Very good post, Candace.

I know many gay people. I can assure anybody that these people were born the way they are. I'm not speaking of those that wish to "experiment" just to see what it's like.

PCB, in all due respect for you and your beliefs. Which, I might add, I'm not trying to change. I really think you might be deceiving yourself to think you can have such complete control over your future children. I really don't believe this to be true. Unless you plan to try brainwashing techniques, you should maybe prepare yourself for what could happen.

I am really confused about some of your comments. You aren't judgemental but here in this thread, you are being judgemental. Some of your remarks are contradicting as well.

It's none of my business what people do behind closed doors or otherwise. I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. I get really concerned when people that love each other, no matter what their color, creed, or sexual preference, are excluded from living like the so called "normal" people live. They may be gross and disgusting to you, but, it's not your business to critique them, and they are human beings just like you are.

This perfect world that you have in your sights may turn out to dissapoint you.

I also voted "no" on our Florida amendment. I'm very sad that it was voted in. We need to band together in this country for the good of all of us. Not segregate people even more.

[caseysmom]

Very good post, Candace.

I know many gay people. I can assure anybody that these people were born the way they are. I'm not speaking of those that wish to "experiment" just to see what it's like.

PCB, in all due respect for you and your beliefs. Which, I might add, I'm not trying to change. I really think you might be deceiving yourself to think you can have such complete control over your future children. I really don't believe this to be true. Unless you plan to try brainwashing techniques, you should maybe prepare yourself for what could happen.

I am really confused about some of your comments. You aren't judgemental but here in this thread, you are being judgemental. Some of your remarks are contradicting as well.

It's none of my business what people do behind closed doors or otherwise. I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. I get really concerned when people that love each other, no matter what their color, creed, or sexual preference, are excluded from living like the so called "normal" people live. They may be gross and disgusting to you, but, it's not your business to critique them, and they are human beings just like you are.

This perfect world that you have in your sights may turn out to dissapoint you.

I also voted "no" on our Florida amendment. I'm very sad that it was voted in. We need to band together in this country for the good of all of us. Not segregate people even more.

Wonderfully said, my thoughts exactly.

[beeniesmom]

PCB, From your post I am understanding that you obviously didn't get to choose your husband. I am sorry about that and the fact that you think you can't be with the one you really love. Personally, I think that's a lie. I just hope you don't choose your kids' husband or wife as your parents did for you. Also, you say you don't descriminate.... Can you spell Hypocrite?"

[popcornbird]

PCB, From your post I am understanding that you obviously didn't get to choose your husband. I am sorry about that and the fact that you think you can't be with the one you really love. Personally, I think that's a lie. I just hope you don't choose your kids' husband or wife as your parents did for you. Also, you say you don't descriminate.... Can you spell Hypocrite?"

I'm really busy today, and do not have time to respond to the other posts right now, but I had to respond to this post...because this post is the joke of the century!!! GOOD LORD!!!

I chose my husband, love my husband with all my heart, would give my life for my husband, and much, much more. Everyone who knows me knows that, and everyone who knows my husband knows that he adores me the same. I truly can't get over how ridiculous AND infuriating this post of your's was, and can't for the life of me understand what you derived it from. Sheesh.

I am furious that you dare speak about my husband and parents in the way that you did. God has blessed me with the best husband, the best parents, and tremendous love in my life, and neither my parents, nor my husband has ever forced me into anything I didn't want, and I am confident that they never will.

The bottom line is the majority of California, the majority of America, and the majority of the world agree with me. Gay marriages are illegal in most of the country, and in most of the world, and ALL of the propositions regarding this issue this elections have passed by the vote of the people. Even IF you believe in the gay lifestyle, there IS NOTHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT. They have 'rights' in the state. No one is seperating them or commanding them to live away from each other. Why do they want marriage? Is this all about money? Inheritance and insurance benefits? I cannot see any other reason why they want to call it marriage so badly because there is no other special benefit that calling it marriage will give them.

As for me, I do not believe anyone is born gay and I never will. I do believe some people are born as intersexuals with both sexual organs or neither. Anyone who is born with a condition has no control over the way they are. No one has control over whether they have white skin or black, whether they will be tall or short, whether they will have blue eyes or brown. Anyone who is 'born' in a certain way carries no blame for how they are born. I do not believe anyone is born gay, and most people don't. There is no scientific evidence that there is a gay gene. Even if there were, the population of gays would die out, because gays cannot reproduce, and thus cannot pass the genes on to the next generation. We're all born the same, pure, innocent, beautiful, male or female. When you go to visit a new mom at the hospital, there are two balloon options. "IT'S A BOY!!!" or "IT'S A GIRL!!!" There isn't any, "IT'S A GAY!!!"

Kids don't 'turn out' to be gay. I've known several girls in high school who claimed that they just realized they're gay. Fast forward a few years, they are all now with MALE partners. So much for being gay. They're just confused. If they were truly born gay and had to be with a gay partner, then none of that would've changed. We all have control over where we put our hands, where we put our feet, where we turn our gaze to, where we give a listening ear, and where we put our sexual organs. The sexual actions we do are a choice we make. No one MAKES us do it. It IS a choice, nothing more.

I do not believe I will have ultimate control over my kids. No one does. I will have the duty to nurture and guide them. When kids grow up, they do what they want, and parents hope that they will stick to the guidance they gave them. I hope for the same.

Funny how you guys turn to personal offenses instead of addressing the issue at hand. I thought Americans respect majority vote. Isn't that what democracy is all about?

[Kfamr]

I truly can't get over how ridiculous AND infuriating this post of your's was, and can't for the life of me understand what you derived it from.

Now you know how I feel when reading some of the things you come up with. EESH.

[-Pickle-]

How do you know the rest of the world agree with you!
Or the majority of california!
How many young gay and lesbian people do you think cant vote because of the age restriction- you appear to have forgotten them all.

Yes, what we do is a choice. who we're attracted to isnt.
you can be presented with blue and pink, and like the pink better. You can say you like the blue better, but truly, you still like the blue better.

Why is it any of your business who does what behind their bedroom door anyway PCB?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3735668.stm

Pull your head out of your bible and research before you preach.

Ignorance is bliss hm.