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**Grace** · 11-04-2008, 10:35 PM

John McCain - what a class act. As I'm certain Barack Obama would have been if the situation was reversed.

It IS about race afterall????

No, and yes. It saddens me that you can't see what I see. If Sarah Palin had been elected VP, I would have said something similar about her being the first woman elected to that office.

I'm really disappointed in you, Brian. Perhaps it is because you're so young.

**Puckstop31** · 11-04-2008, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by Grace

John McCain - what a class act. As I'm certain Barack Obama would have been if the situation was reversed.

No, and yes. It saddens me that you can't see what I see. If Sarah Palin had been elected VP, I would have said something similar about her being the first woman elected to that office.

I'm really disappointed in you, Brian. Perhaps it is because you're so young.

I am sorry Gretchen... But after seeing and hearing what I did about what happened in Philadelphia... I fear race was a MAJOR issue in the choice of many people. Very sad.

Like many have said about Palin.... They would support a woman President, just not Palin. I would support a black President, just not Obama.

Young? 3 Combat tours. 5 years of post seconday education. I am proud of what I have been through in my 34 (almost 35) years.

**Grace** · 11-04-2008, 10:43 PM

The more I think about Puckstop's remarks, the angrier I get.

I would NEVER vote for a candidate for office simply because s/he is black, white, polka dot, female. And that is exactly what he implied.

**Puckstop31** · 11-04-2008, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by Grace

The more I think about Puckstop's remarks, the angrier I get.

I would NEVER vote for a candidate for office simply because s/he is black, white, polka dot, female. And that is exactly what he implied.

Don't get pissed off at me. I would NEVER vote for anyone based on race.

Not what I implied. I was commenting on what somebody ELSE said.

Do NOT slander me.

**sparks19** · 11-04-2008, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by Grace

I'm really disappointed in you, Brian. Perhaps it is because you're so young.

uh oh... I'm going to have an inflated head to deal with tonight. You called him young... he doesn't believe it lol

sorry... off topic but I thought we needed a little comic relief.

**ramanth** · 11-04-2008, 10:48 PM

And what of the whites that voted for McCain because they didn't want a black man as president? Playing the race card goes both ways.

It kind of seemed to me that you implied that Grace and I voted based on race after we made the historic remarks.

**Puckstop31** · 11-04-2008, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by ramanth

And what of the whites that voted for McCain because they didn't want a black man as president? Playing the race card goes both ways.

No arguement here...

Indeed, Obama's election is historic. But if race does not matter? WHY is it historic?

Please belive me when I say it... Race has ZERO do do with my choices in life. Z...E...R...O. The FINEST human being I ever knew just happened to be a black guy. My platoon sergeant from my Somalia deployment.

So please, pretty please, do not misunderstand me on this...

**ramanth** · 11-04-2008, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by Puckstop31

But if race does not matter? WHY is it historic?

Race only matters to make it historic. Once blacks were slaves. Now we have a black president.

Women couldn't vote even until the 1920's. Had McCain/Palin of won, gender would of made it historic.

I would hope race nor gender wasn't the deciding factor in anyone's vote, but that's a false hope. I can just honestly say it wasn't MY deciding factor.