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[Edwina's Secretary]

Has anyone heard these tapes yet? If you believe Mrs. Obama speaks
English with a heavy accent, then you might fall for this drivel. Too dumb
for words.

You mean these tapes...these tapes that will blow the lid off the election might be.....fake?????

I am shocked....absolutely shocked.

Next thing you will be telling me the brouhaha over Obama's birth certificate is so much bull hockey????

[Alysser]

At this point I think Nader's gonna win.

[Cinder & Smoke]

At this point I think Nader's gonna win.

I'd go with Dennis (The Menace) from Cleveland, but he dropped out.

[Grace]

I'd go with Dennis (The Menace) from Cleveland, but he dropped out.

Did you like him for himself - or his gorgeous wife

[kt_luvs_kitties]

I tend to believe that most people hire because of qualifications, instead of race. Call me naive.

Everyone in some way has felt discriminated against, black/white/mexican etc... I am the whitest girl you will ever meet. Really, southern accent and all. I have also felt prejudice against me. The people who are prejudice, I choose to ignore. They wont change, so I wont change my mind.

I must also add that gang violence is because of the gang and the need/want to break the law. NOT because the color of their skin. I also believe that the crime ridden areas with minorites, is BECAUSE the minorities are choosing to not be upstanding citizens in this society. THEY need to break the cycle... I can not and will not support helping those areas/people when they wont help themselves.

I will never believe in giving to one race, instead of ALL races. NO RACE (IMO)is more deserving than another.

I believe we should appreiciate our race, but not dwell on it and blame everything that does not go our way on the color of our skin. Until we do that, nothing will ever change.

[caseysmom]

Giselle works her tail off in school, trust me nobody works harder than her. Its funny and sad I never thought of Asians as being discriminated against, you know I am not far from you and its just so diverse here that I truly don't see color. I enjoy everyones differences...and well mostly the food

Its sad that in the bay area you still get treated differently there is quite a huge asian population. Success is due in large part to work ethic but thats not the whole thing, I don't know any teenager that works harder than Giselle and I certainly hope the playing feel is equal for her when it comes to universities/jobs.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I will never believe in giving to one race, instead of ALL races. NO RACE (IMO)is more deserving than another.

Do I assume you are as deeply offended by the legacy system at the top colleges/universities in our country? Such as the one George Bush used to get his "gentleman's C's"? (Legacy system is when...if your father or uncle or grandfather went to the school you get in. It is the orginal "Affirmative Action." Yale, Havard, Princeton perfected the systems.)

What do you say about the boards of directors of MAJOR corporation tape recording themselves discussing why blacks are not as qualified to work for them as white folk? There are some well-known cases including Coca-Cola and an oil company in Texas -- name escapes me and I don't want to name the wrong one. I am talking recent cases.

And yes, you are naive if you believe most people get hired because of their qualifications. They get hired because of where they went to school, who they know, how well they interview, how well they dress, and ...yeah qualifications.

It is called the halo effect. We tend to want to associate with people who look like us...who remind us of ourselves. People get hired by people they look like or talk like or... Of course, most organizations today work to change this pattern. But change comes slowly.

"Give in to one race?" There are attempts to level the playing field -- for those who look different -- sex, race, disability, etc. It is not "giving in" to any one group.

I have noticed over the last few weeks lots of ..."them"...."They" shouldn't get government assistance. "I" get it because I deserve it. "They" are free-loaders. "I" am different. "They" do not have a right to an opinion about what happens to the US government. "I" am different. "I" am entitled.

And those laws...Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, Equal Pay Act, etc. protect YOU just as much as THEM.

[Cinder & Smoke]

[Dennis the Menace]
Did you like him for himself - or his gorgeous wife

I've *watched* Dennis since long before he aquired his "trophy" wife ...

I've sometimes been in awe of how downright GOOFY some of his ideas are.
And then, every so often, he slips in an almost workable idea I agree with.

He's sorta my "None of the Above" guy!

[Alysser]

I'd go with Dennis (The Menace) from Cleveland, but he dropped out.

LOL

[blue]

Has anyone heard these tapes yet? If you believe Mrs. Obama speaks
English with a heavy accent, then you might fall for this drivel. Too dumb
for words.

So if you heard the "tapes" at least give a clue where you heard them or you are talking out of your posterior. Again.

You mean these tapes...these tapes that will blow the lid off the election might be.....fake?????

I am shocked....absolutely shocked.

Next thing you will be telling me the brouhaha over Obama's birth certificate is so much bull hockey????

The BS about BO's CLB could very well be BH, its just odd that presenting a CC of the CLB is so difficult to produce. BO even recently went back to HI, he could have sent one of his disciples to retrieve it for him. Nor should be hard to prove he was never a citizen of Indonesia, or if he was that he reafirmed his USA citzenship by the age of 18.

I have to wonder if the Clinton's are funding Berg and his lawsuit.

[Cinder & Smoke]

BO's CLB ...
CC of the CLB ...

Your personal short-hand?

[blue]

Your personal short-hand?

BO-Barack Obama, CLB-Certificate of Live Birth, CC-Certified Copy, and BH of corse is Bull Hockey.

Ill happily admit I was hoaxed if this plays out the way the Obama worshippers hope it does.

[Giselle]

Katie, it's just not that nice and simple in our society. =/ You may feel, from your experiences, that society IS that fair and equal and that gang violence and inner city crime are direct results of minorities' lack of interest in gaining a better life, but it's NOT. *Nobody* truly wants to be in the ghetto, working min. wage jobs and facing constant, daily violence.

Here's a disturbingly common scenario:

How can an inner city minority girl go to college when 1) she skipped preschool because her mother could not afford it 2) went to underfunded and, basically, cr@ppy public elementary/middle schools 3) went to an underfunded high school ridden with bad influences, etc. 4) her parents are busy working minimum wage jobs and not giving her the attention she needs 5) she doesn't have the access to the proper resources to get out of her situation, etc. etc.?

There's a reason why there are so many young/teenage pregnancies in inner cities. There's a reason why drugs are such a big problem, as are pimps and prostitution. It's not a life style they choose. It's often the only options available. It's sad. It's extremely sad, but how can they escape that cycle when there's no loophole out? *This* is why we need affirmative action programs.

I guess it's very difficult to talk about when we're coming from two totally different atmospheres. =/

Caseysmom, thanks for the compliments The Bay Area is very diverse, but that also makes us all aware of our differences. Oakland is a prime example. East/west Oakland are extremely crime ridden and inhabited primarily by af-ams and hispanics. North Oakland, near Piedmont, is extremely affluent and predominately white. The two best Oakland schools are in North Oakland. Some of THE worst schools in perhaps the state are in east/west Oakland. It's just sad that this disparity even exists, but it does.

[blue]

There's a reason why there are so many young/teenage pregnancies in inner cities.

Its called lack of parenting at the very least and extreme teenage boredom at the worst, Bristol Palin is a fine example. There is basicaly nothing out here for the teens to do, there is really no scene of any kind for them.

There's a reason why drugs are such a big problem, as are pimps and prostitution. It's not a life style they choose.

The drugs or the prostition? The pimps have a total choice, as do the drug addicts and the prostitutes, take the not so easy way out.

It's often the only options available. It's sad. It's extremely sad, but how can they escape that cycle when there's no loophole out? *This* is why we need affirmative action programs.

Alot of the problems we are seeing in the US is lack of choice, not a lack of change.

[Giselle]

Once again, HOW can these people break out of the cycle when their only option - education - is severely underfunded and, oftentimes, chaotic? Take a look at Oakland public schools, Richmond public schools, Compton public schools, etc. etc. These children are battling incompetent teachers, indifferent parents, outdated textbooks, inadequate nutrition, gang violence, lack of resources, drugs, prostitution, etc. They are battling *generations* of these influences. It's not a one time thing. It's not a single mistake. It's generations of mistakes.It's not that easy to break the cycle when your family has been living within it for generations and generations.

And, Blue, maybe it's not as pervasive in your area, but prostitution is NOT a choice for many girls in my area. It's something they've been pushed into. We recently had a child prostitution ring broken up. Do these children (pre-teens and young teens) really CHOOSE to sell their bodies? I highly doubt it.