Honest Obama Question (From a non-supporter)

[RICHARD]

It's far more alarming when people act like idiots in front of the microphone - the idiots yelling smack from the crowd is pretty bad, Then you have media 'stars' that say what amounts to hate speech under the guise of comedy or humor. And have no forethought about what they are saying and how it can incite hate?

LOL,
If a comedian or talk show host came out and called Mrs. Biden or Obama a "prostitute" the world would end.

There are a few 'woman' media hosts that only get radio and TV time because they are foul mouthed skanks with no respect for the politicians they constantly bang on.

Some anonymous loud mouth yells some stupidity from a crowd, yet it's quite all right for a media mouth to say what amounts to the same kind of speech?

LOLOLOL, That is precious.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I know Obama is Christian, though some believe he is secretly muslim. I would have no problem voting for a jewish, muslim, agnostic, or whatever a person's faith may be, if I felt they were qualified and represented the ideas I most agreed with.

That saddens me so. A nation founded on freedom from government imposed religion still so obsessed with the brand of people's faith instead of the content of their character.

That vidoe is sad as well. I have family in St Clairsville, Ohio. So not surprising, just sad.

[blue]

I just wanted to clarify when I made my comment about bigotry and racism, those are comments I HAVE heard and seen first-hand. "He's an arab" "he's a black" "he's a terrorist" There's a lot of it out there. I hope you're not trying to say no one who is against Obama isn't due to racism issues or because of his name? It's not representative of all McCain/Palin followers, just like nutjob Obama followers aren't representative of all Obama followers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jr2TpMKpWk

Ive heard the same comments too searching for the "kill him" videos. Yes bigotry and racism are still alive in both parties, booing Barack or yelling "terrorist" isnt allways going to be indicitive of racism or bigotry. Trying to say it is is just as ignorant as saying it isnt.

[blue]

How odd is that??? YouTube as the definitive source for news!

If is is not on YouTube...it didn't happen!



Makes all history prior to 2000 and whatever...just blowing smoke!

(and to think there are those who laugh at The Daily Show as a news source! )

You claim to have seen the video, post the link and prove it. Otherwise you are just blowwing smoke.

Youtube is not a difinitive source, but if it actually happened someone would have posted it there. There are plenty of videos there with the disparaging comments, why isnt this one there? Im actually suprised nobody has posted an editted video as proof. Maybe you could suggest that to the DNC for them to consider.

Doing a google news search dosent come up with a video of the incident, only refferences in reports to it.

I work with someone who has not only cited The Daily Show and the Colbert Report as his sources for a number of "news" items.

[K9soul]

Barack or yelling "terrorist" isnt allways going to be indicitive of racism or bigotry. Trying to say it is is just as ignorant as saying it isnt.

I guess you just want to argue, because I don't. I never claimed the terrorist remarks were borne of racism. I just put them in the same category of ignorance as the other remarks.

[blue]

I guess you just want to argue, because I don't. I never claimed the terrorist remarks were borne of racism. I just put them in the same category of ignorance as the other remarks.

I was agreeing with you.

ETA: I had to look at your link on the other comp this one has no sound, thanks for actually posting the link rather then being snide.

[K9soul]

Ah my apologies then. I misread you.

[lizbud]

Ah my apologies then. I misread you.

You are too kind. He's backpedaling like crazy. Saying.....


" Yes bigotry and racism are still alive in both parties, booing Barack or yelling "terrorist" isnt allways going to be indicitive of racism or bigotry. Trying to say it is is just as ignorant as saying it isnt."


Doesn't sound like agreement at all. Oh, and you are right K9soul, he
ablsolutely LOVES to argue. Some folks will argue on whether the sun sets
in the west.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Some folks will argue on whether the sun sets
in the west.

But only if it hasn't been shown on YouTube!

[catland]

my turn, my turn,

neat reading from the Huffington Post (not a website I normally frequent but hey, times are interesting). this is from an essay by Menachem Ronsensaft. This is regarding the era of McCarthism (nothing to do with Paul, pre-you tube)



"Those of us who shout the loudest about Americanism are all too frequently those who, by our own words and acts, ignore some of the basic principles of Americanism."

While these words seem tailor made for the divisive rhetoric of the McCain campaign, they were actually spoken more than 58 years ago on the floor of the United States Senate by Republican Senator Margaret Chase Smith from Maine in her historic repudiation of the vicious character assassinations hurled by Senator Joseph McCarthy against countless Americans. Speaking on behalf of herself and six other Republican Senators, she said that, "The American people are sick and tired of being afraid to speak their minds lest they be politically smeared as 'Communists' or 'Fascists' by their opponents."

The more popular epithets emanating from present-day Republican apparatchiks and the other flacks associated with the 2008 McCain campaign are "terrorist," "Muslim," and "anti-American," but their intent is the same as the red scare labels used so effectively by their McCarthyite role models: to depict their political adversaries generally, and Barack Obama specifically, as somehow dangerous, subversive, even evil.


(he then gives some examples from the current campaign)
....

In her 1950 Declaration of Conscience, Margaret Chase Smith said that "I don't want to see the Republican Party ride to political victory on the Four Horsemen of Calumny -- Fear, Ignorance, Bigotry and Smear." John McCain, Sarah Palin and the Republican Party have knowingly resurrected these demons with a vengeance. We must not, we cannot let them get away with it.

[blue]

You are too kind. He's backpedaling like crazy. Saying.....


" Yes bigotry and racism are still alive in both parties, booing Barack or yelling "terrorist" isnt allways going to be indicitive of racism or bigotry. Trying to say it is is just as ignorant as saying it isnt."


Doesn't sound like agreement at all. Oh, and you are right K9soul, he
ablsolutely LOVES to argue. Some folks will argue on whether the sun sets
in the west.

But only if it hasn't been shown on YouTube!

What I stated about bigotry and racism in both parties is true enough, you see a back pedal I see agreement.

At least K9soul actually Posted the link instead of making belittling and insulting comments, unlike the two of you.

[lizbud]

my turn, my turn,

neat reading from the Huffington Post (not a website I normally frequent but hey, times are interesting). this is from an essay by Menachem Ronsensaft. This is regarding the era of McCarthism (nothing to do with Paul, pre-you tube)



"Those of us who shout the loudest about Americanism are all too frequently those who, by our own words and acts, ignore some of the basic principles of Americanism."

While these words seem tailor made for the divisive rhetoric of the McCain campaign, they were actually spoken more than 58 years ago on the floor of the United States Senate by Republican Senator Margaret Chase Smith from Maine in her historic repudiation of the vicious character assassinations hurled by Senator Joseph McCarthy against countless Americans. Speaking on behalf of herself and six other Republican Senators, she said that, "The American people are sick and tired of being afraid to speak their minds lest they be politically smeared as 'Communists' or 'Fascists' by their opponents."

The more popular epithets emanating from present-day Republican apparatchiks and the other flacks associated with the 2008 McCain campaign are "terrorist," "Muslim," and "anti-American," but their intent is the same as the red scare labels used so effectively by their McCarthyite role models: to depict their political adversaries generally, and Barack Obama specifically, as somehow dangerous, subversive, even evil.


(he then gives some examples from the current campaign)
....

In her 1950 Declaration of Conscience, Margaret Chase Smith said that "I don't want to see the Republican Party ride to political victory on the Four Horsemen of Calumny -- Fear, Ignorance, Bigotry and Smear." John McCain, Sarah Palin and the Republican Party have knowingly resurrected these demons with a vengeance. We must not, we cannot let them get away with it.

Great post catland. So apropos. Thank you for posting it.

[Puckstop31]

But its OK to call somebody a racist if they say something bad about BO? Or its OK to "shut out" a media venue for asking tough questions?

McCain's campaign is not the only one that is negative and devisive.

[K9soul]

But its OK to call somebody a racist if they say something bad about BO? Or its OK to "shut out" a media venue for asking tough questions?

I hope you aren't referring to me here? I haven't personally seen anyone here call someone else here a racist for being against Obama? I brought up that racism is an issue in this election with some people in the U.S. and then posted the video link to show what I was talking about. It wasn't any secret implication towards individuals.

[JenBKR]

It's unfortunate that race is an issue at all, but it is. I heard on the news last night that there was an assasination plot against Obama that the FBI just broke up. It was two skinheads, wanting to kill 88 black people I think, including him. How sad...