Honest Obama Question (From a non-supporter)

[Edwina's Secretary]

Some folks will argue on whether the sun sets
in the west.

But only if it hasn't been shown on YouTube!

[catland]

my turn, my turn,

neat reading from the Huffington Post (not a website I normally frequent but hey, times are interesting). this is from an essay by Menachem Ronsensaft. This is regarding the era of McCarthism (nothing to do with Paul, pre-you tube)



"Those of us who shout the loudest about Americanism are all too frequently those who, by our own words and acts, ignore some of the basic principles of Americanism."

While these words seem tailor made for the divisive rhetoric of the McCain campaign, they were actually spoken more than 58 years ago on the floor of the United States Senate by Republican Senator Margaret Chase Smith from Maine in her historic repudiation of the vicious character assassinations hurled by Senator Joseph McCarthy against countless Americans. Speaking on behalf of herself and six other Republican Senators, she said that, "The American people are sick and tired of being afraid to speak their minds lest they be politically smeared as 'Communists' or 'Fascists' by their opponents."

The more popular epithets emanating from present-day Republican apparatchiks and the other flacks associated with the 2008 McCain campaign are "terrorist," "Muslim," and "anti-American," but their intent is the same as the red scare labels used so effectively by their McCarthyite role models: to depict their political adversaries generally, and Barack Obama specifically, as somehow dangerous, subversive, even evil.


(he then gives some examples from the current campaign)
....

In her 1950 Declaration of Conscience, Margaret Chase Smith said that "I don't want to see the Republican Party ride to political victory on the Four Horsemen of Calumny -- Fear, Ignorance, Bigotry and Smear." John McCain, Sarah Palin and the Republican Party have knowingly resurrected these demons with a vengeance. We must not, we cannot let them get away with it.

[lizbud]

my turn, my turn,

neat reading from the Huffington Post (not a website I normally frequent but hey, times are interesting). this is from an essay by Menachem Ronsensaft. This is regarding the era of McCarthism (nothing to do with Paul, pre-you tube)



"Those of us who shout the loudest about Americanism are all too frequently those who, by our own words and acts, ignore some of the basic principles of Americanism."

While these words seem tailor made for the divisive rhetoric of the McCain campaign, they were actually spoken more than 58 years ago on the floor of the United States Senate by Republican Senator Margaret Chase Smith from Maine in her historic repudiation of the vicious character assassinations hurled by Senator Joseph McCarthy against countless Americans. Speaking on behalf of herself and six other Republican Senators, she said that, "The American people are sick and tired of being afraid to speak their minds lest they be politically smeared as 'Communists' or 'Fascists' by their opponents."

The more popular epithets emanating from present-day Republican apparatchiks and the other flacks associated with the 2008 McCain campaign are "terrorist," "Muslim," and "anti-American," but their intent is the same as the red scare labels used so effectively by their McCarthyite role models: to depict their political adversaries generally, and Barack Obama specifically, as somehow dangerous, subversive, even evil.


(he then gives some examples from the current campaign)
....

In her 1950 Declaration of Conscience, Margaret Chase Smith said that "I don't want to see the Republican Party ride to political victory on the Four Horsemen of Calumny -- Fear, Ignorance, Bigotry and Smear." John McCain, Sarah Palin and the Republican Party have knowingly resurrected these demons with a vengeance. We must not, we cannot let them get away with it.

Great post catland. So apropos. Thank you for posting it.

[Puckstop31]

But its OK to call somebody a racist if they say something bad about BO? Or its OK to "shut out" a media venue for asking tough questions?

McCain's campaign is not the only one that is negative and devisive.

[K9soul]

But its OK to call somebody a racist if they say something bad about BO? Or its OK to "shut out" a media venue for asking tough questions?

I hope you aren't referring to me here? I haven't personally seen anyone here call someone else here a racist for being against Obama? I brought up that racism is an issue in this election with some people in the U.S. and then posted the video link to show what I was talking about. It wasn't any secret implication towards individuals.

[Puckstop31]

I hope you aren't referring to me here? I haven't personally seen anyone here call someone else here a racist for being against Obama? I brought up that racism is an issue in this election with some people in the U.S. and then posted the video link to show what I was talking about. It wasn't any secret implication towards individuals.

I am not referring to anybody here. Just the tone of the campaigns.

[K9soul]

I am not referring to anybody here. Just the tone of the campaigns.

Thanks for the clarification.

[blue]

You are too kind. He's backpedaling like crazy. Saying.....


" Yes bigotry and racism are still alive in both parties, booing Barack or yelling "terrorist" isnt allways going to be indicitive of racism or bigotry. Trying to say it is is just as ignorant as saying it isnt."


Doesn't sound like agreement at all. Oh, and you are right K9soul, he
ablsolutely LOVES to argue. Some folks will argue on whether the sun sets
in the west.

But only if it hasn't been shown on YouTube!

What I stated about bigotry and racism in both parties is true enough, you see a back pedal I see agreement.

At least K9soul actually Posted the link instead of making belittling and insulting comments, unlike the two of you.