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    It is illegal to own a wolf hybrid in the state I live in.

    However, in the state I used to live in, it was not. My neighbor had two of them. They lived in the back yard in a literal fortress. They never came out. It was positively depressing to hear them howling mournfully back there.

    We used to get them in at the shelter there on a fairly regular basis. Without fail, every one had to be euthanized for behavioral issues. The director of the shelter described the problem quite well. A wolf is big, strong, powerful and wild. It has the definate prey drive of a predator, as is fitting. However, wolves are shy and afraid of humans. A dog is domesticated, friendly, tame, and generally smaller. Dogs are not shy, and not afraid of humans, as a rule. When the two are interbred, the animal that results seems to get the strength and prey drive of the wolf ... coupled with the lack of fear of humans of the dog. This is not a good combination, and it's always the animal that pays the ultimate price.

    It always just infuriates me to hear people say, "Ooooh, I love wolves. They are so cool. I can relate to wolves, they are my favorite animal. I want to own one." What?? If you love, admire and respect a wild animal, what in the world would you want to take one from its natural environment, cage it, and try to make it into a domestic animal? We already have a domestic canine ... it's called a dog.
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    It is not illegal in my state with a license.

    I would not recommend ANYONE get a wolf or hybird without TONS of research!

    Anyways, they are beautiful


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    Quote Originally Posted by Twisterdog View Post

    It always just infuriates me to hear people say, "Ooooh, I love wolves. They are so cool. I can relate to wolves, they are my favorite animal. I want to own one." What?? If you love, admire and respect a wild animal, what in the world would you want to take one from its natural environment, cage it, and try to make it into a domestic animal? We already have a domestic canine ... it's called a dog.
    I completely agree. I LOVE wolves...they have been my favorite animal since I was a young child. I used to dream of having a wolf as a pet. But I realized that wolves are wild animals and its not right to try to make them into a pet, they are better off in their natural environment. I do not agree with anyone breeding wolves or wolf-hybrids for pets, so no I do no think that or any other breeder is reputable. There are a few people (like Glacier) that are capable of handling a wolf-hybrid, but your average person is not, and that is generally who are aquiring these animals...people that have no idea how to handle them.

    Honestly I have met several wolf hybrids and they all have been wonderful animals, but they all were owned by people who know how to handle them. I've (obviously) gone with siberian huskies as they are more like wolves than most dogs. I still wonder about having a wolf hybrid one day...but it would only be if I had a lot of land and time to work with one, and it would be a rescued one that was in need of a home...I would not support anyone breeding them.

    I don't know if its legal here or not, but I see wolf-hybrids advertised in the classifieds all the time. They sell to anyone who will pay the price they are asking. I've groomed a few low content wolf-hybrids too.

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    I agree as well, I love wolves, but they belong in the wild.

    I have a friend that has always had wolfdogs, I don't visit her house very often because it makes me so sad to see them in their pen. She's always gotten her wolves from the same "breeder".
    Her male she has now is about 7 years old and Phoenix is a SWEETHEART he is a very high content wolf.
    When you go in the wolf pen he rolls over for belly rubs!! HE also sits, rolls over, gives paw. He's a smart cookie!

    I have to laugh becuase Phoenix will let my hubby pet him but Buddy still won't!
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    Well, it's Legit, in that they are indeed wolf hybrids, but it's not moral nor is it responsible to breed and sell wild animals to the general public. It's a shame that people breed wild animals and pass them off as pets. They are NOT pets, no matter how pretty they are. Yuck and shame on the folks doing this wild animal hybrid breeding.

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    Sorry, I didn't mean to say I'd ever get a wolf-dog. I guess if one came along in my life somehow and it was the right time but I don't think I could ever just buy one like that from a breeder. I wouldn't be able to handle something that is not like a regular dog and while they are awesome I would NEVER own one unless I had to, like if my neighbor was abusing his or something. I know most states outlaw them now, but Florida doesn't really outlaw any crazy pets.

    They lived in the back yard in a literal fortress. They never came out. It was positively depressing to hear them howling mournfully back there
    That is so sad Poor babies.

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    Wolf hybrids are not legal here in RI, either. I can't remember which state, but the Governor's son lives in a state where you can own them. He has 3, and brought them with, when he came to visit his folks. And promptly was "caught" by the media, so had to cut his visit short and return home with them.

    As for wolves, I do find them fascinating, and I enjoy learning about them, and watching documentaries on them. There have been several studies of wolves which have helped people understand why our dogs do some of the things they do.

    One study kept some wolves in captivity, with constant human contact. Have you ever noticed that wild canines (wolves, coyotes, etc.) have little and no white markings? Within 11 generations, the puppies where showing up almost half white. Fascinating!
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    I'd probably be a little afraid of a wolf hybrid. I remember on National Geographic show called "Science of Dogs" there was a segment at the end where they tried to show the differences in domestication between wolves and dogs. (Sorry if this is kinda random), but they attached a treat stuck to the middle of a closed dog crate to a string so when the wolf or dog tugged on the string the whole crate would move and the wolf or dog would be unable to get the treat. Anyway, when they did the experiment...first with the wolf, the wolf tugged the string, realized it couldn't get the treat 'cause tugging the string would only make the whole crate move, then it mauled the crate in frustration. Then they did the same experiment with the dog (some kind of Border Collie mix I think), and the dog tugged the string, the whole crate moved, then the dog thought for a moment and realized it couldn't get the treat so its domestic instincts kicked in and went to a human and barked as a way of asking for help. I guess my point is, wolves are wild animals...dogs aren't...There is a new show coming to Animal Planet called Living with the Wolf Man by the way

    I'd prefer a skunk-dog hybrid. It would just be funnier...

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