Firearms. Yea or Nay?

[blue]

I don't really understand the need for the AK47s and other guns like them being needed in the average home. Blue's picture kinda freaked me out. Wouldn't want to live next door to that arsenal.

What I have is nothing compared to my neighbors or my friends in Anchorage. Nothing to be afraid of, you are actually safer around legal owners of firearms.

I can understand a handgun for protection if that's what you want it for, but why all the other big guns?? I'm not saying like a rifle you shoot a deer with, but the assault rifles. Assault Rifle. Kinda gives the impression of exactly what it is.

People in other states actualy hunt with AK47 semi auto clones, mine are for the target range and one as my bear gun. I really need to get a Siaga 12 as my river gun but I cant afford them. Also an assault rifle is one that is full auto, what I have are all semi auto.

There are just way too many guns on the streets, and way too many easy ways for them to get into the hands of people who want to use them against other people.

The problem is not the numbers on the street, the problem is too many are on the street illegally.

I remember watching "Bowling for Columbine" and it was one of those mid western states or somewhere out there, where if you opened up a bank account with a certain amount of money, you got a free gun of your choice. I about fell over viewing that. What the heck kind of institution has that kind of "free gift when opening an account"?

Bowling for Columbine is so full of mistruths, misdirections and misleading editting, it shouldnt be taken seriously.

I want to see less guns on the streets (we have way too many here in Allentown), stricter gun laws, and tougher repercussions for those who are found with them and don't have any license to carry them. There need to be more restrictions with the licenses and what guns are allowed to be carried as protection as well. AK47s, and guns like that, are not in that category, in my opinion.

If you get what you want there will be more firearms in the hands of criminals and less in the hands of law abiding citizens.

Turkey bacon qualifies in my book as bacon. It tastes just as good.

Its still turkey.

[sparks19]

I think there needs to be stricter controls on it all. I also think that we need to stop pandering to the criminals and actually lock them up. Stop serving them gourmet cuisine, and funding their college degrees. That pisses me off like crazy. They're criminals and should be treated as such, not like they're Paris Hilton in jail. When did the people running the jails forget that these are people who committed some pretty hideous crimes.

I'm all for "rehabilitation", but not to this extent.

Now THIS I can MORE than agree with.

I think we should go back to prison farms. Work their criminal arses to the bone... you wronged society... you better make it up to us by working to provide us a service while you rot in prison... NO TV... bland food.... no "play" time.... You sit in your cell and rot when you aren't working to pay off your debt.

[blue]

Besides its allways good to be prepared.

[Karen]

Now They are gonna be watchin me.

Now now, we watch everyone. That's what moderators do.

Just stay polite and respectful, and remember that there are children reading this site, and no *thumping* will be needed.

[blue]

Now now, we watch everyone. That's what moderators do.

Just stay polite and respectful, and remember that there are children reading this site, and no *thumping* will be needed.

I actually like your style, if you ever need help...

I have ADD and 2 computors.

[sparks19]

Now now, we watch everyone. That's what moderators do.

Just stay polite and respectful, and remember that there are children reading this site, and no *thumping* will be needed.

Sorry Karen... it wasn't a knock on you. More of an inside joke from another forum we know each other from lol.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Kansas recently passed a law making automatic weapons legal. We already have a concealed weapon law. Now everyone can hide their machine guns in their pants legeally!!!

Stupid law really! Don't need an automatic weapon to kill a deer.

[Lady's Human]

Machine guns are tightly controlled by federal law. With few exceptions the federal controls are far, far tighter than a state could ever enforce.

[Puckstop31]

Kansas recently passed a law making automatic weapons legal. We already have a concealed weapon law. Now everyone can hide their machine guns in their pants legeally!!!

Stupid law really! Don't need an automatic weapon to kill a deer.

What LH said....

Plus...

Never forget that the 2nd Amendment is not about hunting. It is about the fundamental human right to self defence. Period. It is a bonus that this right also gives us an 'easier' way to harvest our own meat.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

So what's the big difference between a rapid fire automatic weapon or a machine gun? Both can kill far faster than you need for hunting deer!!!

One of the biggest arguments for guns is hunting animals not for hunting people. Maybe they should pass a law that you have to eat what you kill???

[Puckstop31]

So what's the big difference between a rapid fire automatic weapon or a machine gun? Both can kill far faster than you need for hunting deer!!!

One of the biggest arguments for guns is hunting animals not for hunting people. Maybe they should pass a law that you have to eat what you kill???

I am not trying to be critical, but I think you really do not have a grasp of this issue. You show me this by saying, "So what's the big difference between a rapid fire automatic weapon or a machine gun?" I mean, is there a SLOW firing, automatic weapon? Or do you mean SEMI-automatic. Do you even know the difference? (Again, not being critical, I just want to try and unsderstand where you are coming from, logically.) Let me help...

SEMI-Automatic = Weapon fires one shot with one pull of the trigger and then reloads a fresh cartridge without any manual action by the user.

Automatic = Weapon fires, reloads and continues to fire on a single trigger pull, until trigger is released.

Machine Gun = Generally speaking, a machine gun is a crew served (meaning it takes at least 2 people to properly operate it.) fully automatic and BELT fed weapon.

Assault Rifle = A weapon where you can be set to fire either in SEMI or FULLY automatic mode. (I.e. select fire. A firearm might LOOK like an assault rifle, but rarely is technically one.)

Perhaps you can help me by explaining your position on gun control? What do you believe should be done and WHY.

What do you mean by "One of the biggest arguments for guns is hunting animals not for hunting people." Where do you get that from?


This issue is obviously a very emotional one for a lot of people. Often simply because people do not understand, or have a false understanding of guns. OR, they suffer from hoplophobia, which is a simple and unreasonable fear of guns themselves.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

My position is get rid of all the darn guns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One of the nicest kids in my high school was killed when he and his best friend were messing around with an "unloaded" gun!!!

I knew a baby whose mother found him chewing on the barrel of a "luger" that his grandfather thought he had put up "where the kid couldn't get it". Luckily, the gun didn't go off.

I don't care about the different classes of guns so thanks for the lecture but it's not needed or wanted. A gun does just what it was made to do, that is KILL!!!

[Lady's Human]

MOFF, for starters, eliminating all guns is an impossible task. (Okay, not impossible, just extremely unrealistic.)

Second, neither of the situations you list should ever have happened. You don't "screw around" with firearms, obviously the teens weren't mature enough to handle them if that is what they were doing, and a firearm should NEVER be where a baby can get it.

Firearms are tools, nothing more. Hammers, knives, axes, all have killing in their roots. A tool cannot be good or evil. It's the user which makes that choice.

[RICHARD]

You don't "screw around" with firearms, obviously the teens weren't mature enough to handle them if that is what they were doing, and a firearm should NEVER be where a baby can get it.

At a local airshow I was standing at a table where there was a display of weapons that you could touch and get the feel of the them.

They had a few M16s and some other stuff on display.

I asked the soldier at the table for permission to pick up a M16/M203 combo-It's a rilfle w/a grenade launcher attached beneath the barrel. While I had it in my hands, a kid no more than 10-12 years old came up beside me on the left, picked up the other M16 from the table and looked over his right shoulder.

As he turned into the soldier and I, he shouldered the rifle, pointed it at his friend behind him and said something stupid like, POW! As I got over my initial shock I watched the stupid kid put the gun down and run off. I looked at the soldier as we both straightened up and went "WTF just happened?"


Both he and I both knew the guns were not loaded but it was just plain reflex that we both ducked/leaned out of the way. I asked him, 'that didn't just happen, did it?' And he nervously laughed and said somehthing like, "you would not believe some of the stuff that I have seen today!"

I thanked him and told him to 'be careful' and went on my way.

That was a prime example of kids not knowing the power of or messing around with guns. They have no respect for them and think that it's all fun and games.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

First, I'm sorry I snapped at all of you. Guns are just a sore subject with me.

The boy that was shot was 17. Around here that's plenty old enough to know about guns. Almost every kid was expected to know about them from a young age. Back then hunting was the "in" thing. Guess not every one attended the class.

The gun that the baby well, toddler I guess he was then, was in the top drawer of a desk. Should have been way out of his reach but somehow he managed. After the incident, the grandfater kept the clip to the gun in his car. Not a great help if someone is breaking down a door trying to get into your house. "wait a second, mr burgler, while I run out and load my gun". Anyway, it got it away from the little one.

Of course, having a gun pointed at my head and the trigger pulled by someone cleaning a "supposidly" unloaded gun myself when I was a youngester, may cloud my opinion on the gun issue.