Why isn't MORE being said -

[momoffuzzyfaces]

I agree.
1) I'm sorry but if a Caribou or a Moose is running at me and the only thing that's going to save me is someone pulling out a gun and shooting it. PLEASE GOD let that person have a gun!!

But they weren't killing in self defense. They were deliberately hunting them to kill them.

You are right. Animals aren't the same as people. In some cases they are a higher life form. Like Mark Twain said: man is the only animal that blushes, or has a need to.

[shais_mom]

But they weren't killing in self defense. They were deliberately hunting them to kill them.

You are right. Animals aren't the same as people. In some cases they are a higher life form. Like Mark Twain said: man is the only animal that blushes, or has a need to.

Actually if the wolves are killing Alaskans Caribou that is a natural food source for them and part of their livliehood, they are killing in self defense.
I liken it to the sheep farmer or cattle farmer that has to kill the wolves/coyotes/moutain lions/bears/wild dog packs/etc that are killing their animals which is their livliehood. Do I like it? No. But as someone who raised sheep for many years and had them used as target practice by someone up to no good, I can certainly understand where they are coming from. Yep, that means I lost about 4-5 sheep one year to someone shooting them for no reason.
That Said - I couldn't hunt nor could I do the things that come with it.
Animals as a higher life form, I understand that. They do not sin, they do not swear. Yes, I believe all of them go to heaven b/c they belong there.

[Puckstop31]

But they weren't killing in self defense. They were deliberately hunting them to kill them.

You are right. Animals aren't the same as people. In some cases they are a higher life form. Like Mark Twain said: man is the only animal that blushes, or has a need to.

So, let me get this straight...

- Some animals hunt and kill other animals for food. Meaning they deliberately kill them.

- Animals are "in some cases" a higher life form. If they kill, for food, how does that make humans bad for doing the same thing?

[lvpets2002]

Keep the comments coming.. I find all of this reading very interesting.. We for sure learn by reading right.. Hey we are better than the media..

[momoffuzzyfaces]

So, let me get this straight...

- Some animals hunt and kill other animals for food. Meaning they deliberately kill them.

- Animals are "in some cases" a higher life form. If they kill, for food, how does that make humans bad for doing the same thing?

Because we were given the freedom of reasoning and choice. Few animals kill just for the sport of it. Men can survive by being vegetable eaters, some animals can't. We can reason and invent alternate ways of surviving, animals can't.

[RICHARD]

Again, When man boxes off areas that animals live they protect and sometimes disrupt all living things in that area. This is all simple science and the rule of "Only the Strong Survive".


Get a pool and fill it with 100 goldfish. soon you'll have 200 if you care and fee them.

Put a shark in the pool, THe shark needs to eat, soon you have 1 shark and no gold fish. Because the shark won't eat fish flakes, It will die of hunger

When we start to mess with the balances of nature we screw things up.

Same thiing with wolves.IF we leave them alone in areas set aside as conservation parks, they will overhunt the other animals in the area until there is no more food.

Man sometimes has to step in, and as nasty as it sounds, take care of the messes he made and try to set things right.

[shais_mom]

Again, When man boxes off areas that animals live they protect and sometimes disrupt all living things in that area. This is all simple science and the rule of "Only the Strong Survive".


Get a pool and fill it with 100 goldfish. soon you'll have 200 if you care and fee them.

Put a shark in the pool, THe shark needs to eat, soon you have 1 shark and no gold fish. Because the shark won't eat fish flakes, It will die of hunger

When we start to mess with the balances of nature we screw things up.

Same thiing with wolves.IF we leave them alone in areas set aside as conservation parks, they will overhunt the other animals in the area until there is no more food.

Man sometimes has to step in, and as nasty as it sounds, take care of the messes he made and try to set things right.

ITA Richard. Well said!!!
I suppose this is why I stay out of the dog house b/c each person feels just as passionately about their issue as the next and in some cases no one is going to change the minds of the other.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

ITA Richard. Well said!!!
I suppose this is why I stay out of the dog house b/c each person feels just as passionately about their issue as the next and in some cases no one is going to change the minds of the other.

That's ok! We can still care about each other even if we have different opinions.

[RICHARD]

That's ok! We can still care about each other even if we have different opinions.

I don't watch the show, Entourage, But I know about the saying that one of the characters has....


Hug it out!



SM,
THanks for following my typing, spelling and dropping words! My mind runs faster than my fingers.

[lizbud]

Because we were given the freedom of reasoning and choice. Few animals kill just for the sport of it. Men can survive by being vegetable eaters, some animals can't. We can reason and invent alternate ways of surviving, animals can't.

I agree with you 100 %. Both in this post and the previous post quoting
Mark Twain.

Here's another quote "lifted" from Finn's Mom

"The idea that some lives matter less is the root of all that is wrong with the world. - Dr. Paul Farmer "

[Puckstop31]

Because we were given the freedom of reasoning and choice. Few animals kill just for the sport of it. Men can survive by being vegetable eaters, some animals can't. We can reason and invent alternate ways of surviving, animals can't.

And yet Animals are superior to us?

But I digress.... Have you ever done any honest research into just how much honest and controlled hunting actually does more than anything else in keeping animal populations healthy? Like, imagine a world without deer hunting. Do you know what would happen? Deer population explodes, deer eat large amount of farmers corn... Corn drives a large part of our food supply, either directly or indirectly. Wanna pay 8 bux a gallon for milk?

Now I can understand how some people can feel the way they do about hunting and hunters. Perhaps in your mind I am just some evil kind of animal and that is OK. I just take heart in the fact that I KNOW the work I do with the NRA, NWTF, my hunting license fees, my 'gun club', ammo taxes, and so forth do more to expand and preserve animals and their habitat than will ever be made 100% known or understood to the public.

/rant

[caseysmom]

Okay to lighten things up a flock of turkeys was just walking down my very suburban street and I thought of you puckstop

[sparks19]

Okay to lighten things up a flock of turkeys was just walking down my very suburban street and I thought of you puckstop

BE QUIET!!!!!

LOL

I'm getting burnt out on Turkey talk lol. I'm tired of waking in the night to hear " *cries* come back turkey... come back" LOL just kidding He doesn't talk in his sleep... only snores. But I do hear about turkeys a lot. If he doesn't get one this year I don't know how I will make it through

[caseysmom]

BE QUIET!!!!!

LOL

I'm getting burnt out on Turkey talk lol. I'm tired of waking in the night to hear " *cries* come back turkey... come back" LOL just kidding He doesn't talk in his sleep... only snores. But I do hear about turkeys a lot. If he doesn't get one this year I don't know how I will make it through

He could have picked one off sitting on my lawn One of the neighborhood teenagers came flying around the corner, I thought for a minute I should start warming up the oven

[momoffuzzyfaces]

And yet Animals are superior to us?

Now I can understand how some people can feel the way they do about hunting and hunters. Perhaps in your mind I am just some evil kind of animal and that is OK. I just take heart in the fact that I KNOW the work I do with the NRA, NWTF, my hunting license fees, my 'gun club', ammo taxes, and so forth do more to expand and preserve animals and their habitat than will ever be made 100% known or understood to the public.

/rant

Well, I've never had a animal break into my house and rob me at gun point or deliberately hurt me for no reason. So, yes, they are superior to us in lots of ways.

FYI, my parents and brother all hunted and taught me how to shoot. I just decided to never kill. The evil is what you hunt and the intent behind it. Watching an animal fight for its live has never pleased me.
I just rather shoot animals with a camera and let them live in the peace they have granted me.