McCain/Palin ???

[moosmom]

Palin being named McCain's running mate has made my decision who I'm voting for easy.

Palin has put a bounty of $150/head in the hunting of wolves in Alaska. She has also okayed the drilling of oil in her neck of the woods. She is a diehard NRA member (nothing wrong with that).

Our country is in total disarray because of global warming. The icebergs are melting fast and furiously causing a domino affect with the animals whose lives depend on those icebergs. The forests that the animals live are being ripped apart.

What will a woman with 5 children do if, God forbid, something happens to McCain who is 72 is, which I doubt, elected into office? Will she be able to run this country in his absence??? Don't think so. She doesn't have the experience.

VOTE OBAMA!!!!

[Puckstop31]

For starters, my apologies to all for my off the hook posts earlier in this thread. I let my passion get the best of me.

Palin has put a bounty of $150/head in the hunting of wolves in Alaska.

I gotta admit this one makes me scratch my head a little. But I want to know more than just the side of the story we have been told.

She has also okayed the drilling of oil in her neck of the woods.

So drilling on about 1000 acres of the extreme north slope, a barren wasteland, is a bad thing?

Our country is in total disarray because of global warming. The icebergs are melting fast and furiously causing a domino affect with the animals whose lives depend on those icebergs. The forests that the animals live are being ripped apart.

I first refer you to this article.

http://www.dailytech.com/Sun+Makes+H...ticle12823.htm

I sadly do not have it handy, but I saw an article that had some pretty strong evidence that linked global temperature to the suns activity. I mean, that just makes sense. This is not to say that we should not be good stewards of our planet. I support, both with my money and my time, the activities of several organizations that probably do more to protect our environment than you would want to believe. The two biggest ones are the NRA and the National Wild Turkey Federation.

But I digress...

Surely our environment needs some TLC, but I do not subscribe to the sensational ideas you put forth. "Total Disarray?"

Ice Melting?

http://www.randomjottings.net/archives/003023.html

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0110/p14s01-sten.html

http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=851

It seems the topic is still a matter of scientific debate.

FWIW, I pay a great deal of attention to the global warming debate. It matters to me because in the next year or so, my family is going to roll the dice and buy a sizeable farm in South Dakota. I am getting back to my roots and I am going to spend the rest of my days working the land. So this issue matters to me. Alot.

What will a woman with 5 children do if, God forbid, something happens to McCain who is 72 is, which I doubt, elected into office? Will she be able to run this country in his absence??? Don't think so. She doesn't have the experience.

Here is what I do not understand... This woman is everything the womens liberation types want all women to be. Yet, now she is being derided for it. Can one of you ladies explain how it is all of a sudden a BAD thing to be a working mother?

VOTE OBAMA!!!!

Because he is better than YOU! LOL

[pomtzu]

Here is what I do not understand... This woman is everything the womens liberation types want all women to be. Yet, now she is being derided for it. Can one of you ladies explain how it is all of a sudden a BAD thing to be a working mother?

I'm a lady and I don't think there is anything BAD about being a working mother - IF YOU ARE QUALIFIED FOR THE JOB!!! Sorry, but Obama will get my vote based on the selection of Palin by Mcain. I don't think there's anyone out there that hasn't given the thought to the idea that McCain stands a very good chance of not even being around long enough to complete a whole term. Then what???? I don't know about anyone else, but I sure don't want to take a chance on Palin - I'm just not a gambler. She may have many good qualities and abilities, but being the leader of this great country isn't one of them. Ten or fifteen years from now might be a different story.

[Puckstop31]

I'm a lady and I don't think there is anything BAD about being a working mother - IF YOU ARE QUALIFIED FOR THE JOB!!! Sorry, but Obama will get my vote based on the selection of Palin by Mcain. I don't think there's anyone out there that hasn't given the thought to the idea that McCain stands a very good chance of not even being around long enough to complete a whole term. Then what???? I don't know about anyone else, but I sure don't want to take a chance on Palin - I'm just not a gambler. She may have many good qualities and abilities, but being the leader of this great country isn't one of them. Ten or fifteen years from now might be a different story.

Fair enough. Still, the same could be said for Obama. I mean, he does not want to be a heartbeat away from being POTUS, he wants to BE the POTUS.

I am sure its been hashed out before, but at least Palin has some executive experience.

Than main reason I like Palin is because of her LESS government stance on things. More government = less freedom. You can be free or you can be "safe". I choose free. But that is just me I suppose.

[Pam]

I am sure its been hashed out before, but at least Palin has some executive experience.

That is not enough for most of us. Last night I watched Larry King and he had on James Carville (who I have never cared for) and some others on his panel. I almost felt sorry for the McCain people trying to defend his selection. Carville hit them and hit them hard with some of his questions which they tried to not answer. What qualifications does she have to lead this nation with three wars ongoing at this time? I guess we are to assume that McCain will handle the wars and she will handle the economy. Neither thought gives me great comfort. I think McCain has shot himself in the foot big time, but not because there is anything wrong with Ms. Palen. She is just the wrong gal for the job IMHO.

[moosmom]

Sparks19,

Don't forget all the illegitimate "baby bumps" seen in the tabloids. Does Brad and Angelina ring a bell?? What kind of message does that send? It's pathetic. Here in CT, the more kids you have, the more welfare you get. Nice, huh?? Back in the late 60's we also had a girl that "went away". I ran into her a couple of years ago and she wound up marrying the guy who got her pregnant way years later.

I do applaud Palin for standing by her daughter. I'd do the same if it were my daughter. It has absolutely nothing to do with the campaign for President.

[lizbud]

That is not enough for most of us. Last night I watched Larry King and he had on James Carville (who I have never cared for) and some others on his panel. I almost felt sorry for the McCain people trying to defend his selection. Carville hit them and hit them hard with some of his questions which they tried to not answer. What qualifications does she have to lead this nation with three wars ongoing at this time? I guess we are to assume that McCain will handle the wars and she will handle the economy. Neither thought gives me great comfort. I think McCain has shot himself in the foot big time, but not because there is anything wrong with Ms. Palen. She is just the wrong gal for the job IMHO.

Scandals aside, I agree with you on this.

Any person considering a run for public office has to know their whole
life story is going to be public knowledge. Palin can't be surprised at the
hoopla over personal stories in the news.

Not many people outside Alaska even heard of Palin before this, so yeah,
expect to hear a lot more as more is known.

[pomtzu]

You can be free or you can be "safe". I choose free.

The way I see it - we have both. Do you really think Palin has the ability and experience to keep it that way if she were put in the position where she had to?

[Puckstop31]

The way I see it - we have both. Do you really think Palin has the ability and experience to keep it that way if she were put in the position where she had to?

Pam, this is for you too.


OK, I guess I can best answer this question by giving you a little blurb about me and what I really believe in. Like a 50,000 ft level look.

I am a Libertarian at my core. But not as extreme as many people who are also Libertarians. I really believe in the American people. Deep down, I do not really think the majority of us are the kind of people who sit around and wait for others to do things for us. When push comes to shove, WE make it happen. Thus, for We The People to truly excel, we need the government to get OUT of our way, not in it more. Now, yes it is true that in many ways, this kind of thinking is harsh. Because in "my" world, when you buy a house that is out of your means and get evicted... Tough. Did not plan properly for your retirement and are broke? Tough! Hope your family or community can help you. Do not take this to mean I do not have compassion, because I do. I just KNOW at my core, that we are better than any of the nonsense FORCED on us by a government that is corrupt to its core and power MAD.

Thus, the primary reason I really like Sarah Palin. She is SO far outside the beltway. Also, I know that there is a grand difference between knowledge and wisdom. I feel that Palin is wise. Sure, she is not perfect, but who is? Also, I believe she is humble enough to realize that the most important part of being POTUS is surrounding yourself with good people. Good people who really will tell her she is wrong. Frankly, this is my number one issue with Obama. (Numbers two and three come in a sec....LOL) He just comes off as a know it all. "I can do this.... I will do that...." That is change? More promises that he cannot even come close to delivering, save from taxing us into submission?

Next, grouped in with my 3 main issues is the issue of the 2nd Amendment. The Amendment that protects all our other rights. It does not grant a right, it affirms a God given right. The right for ME to protect myself and my family from tyranny... Be that it comes from Washington DC or a home intruder. Clearly, Barack Obama is in no way a friend of the 2nd Amendment. Of course, he pays lip service to it, but his voting record is crystal clear. Sure, he is not so stupid as to go for an outright ban, he will just try to make it next to impossible, to buy firearms or ammunition. Wanna see the next revolution in the USA? Do that. Seriously. There are tens of millions of people who will NOT let that happen. Serious people who are not the "gun nuts" you think of. Sarah Palin is a lifetime NRA member. Nuff said.

And finally, the economy. Barack Obama is an out right marxist. What else to you call a proposal to TAKE money from oil companies and give it to people? If windfall profits were truly his issue, why not Google? Why not Microsoft? Why not AL GORE? All the things he proposes are going to cost a truckload of money. Where does it come from? His plan calls for increasing taxes on companies and cutting "middle class" taxes. That is not a tax cut, that is just swapping numbers around. Do you think that those tax increases will not find their way into the price of products? The Nanny State, telling you serfs how to live. Talk about fascism....


So yes, I really believe Sarah Palin has what it takes to be a great leader. She is not perfect, but she is a REAL change in the direction I want to see the country go.

I'll add, just for the record, I oppose her on the issues of abortion and on her stance on same sex issues. We can get into that if you like. LOL I'm here all week, try the fish.

[rosethecopycat]

I am a Libertarian at my core. But not as extreme as many people who are also Libertarians. I really believe in the American people. Deep down, I do not really think the majority of us are the kind of people who sit around and wait for others to do things for us. When push comes to shove, WE make it happen. Thus, for We The People to truly excel, we need the government to get OUT of our way, not in it more.

Likewise. So am I.

Next, grouped in with my 3 main issues is the issue of the 2nd Amendment. The Amendment that protects all our other rights. It does not grant a right, it affirms a God given right. The right for ME to protect myself and my family from tyranny...

In the event of a home invasion, in FL, I can go to jail, protecting my cat's lives.

And finally, the economy. Barack Obama is an out right marxist. What else to you call a proposal to TAKE money from oil companies and give it to people?

It's called a seizure.
And Comrade Obama supports it.
I'd tell the oil companies to go ahead and blow themselves up before being seized.

Some people need to go ahead and read some Ayn Rand.

[pomtzu]

Also, I believe she is humble enough to realize that the most important part of being POTUS is surrounding yourself with good people. Good people who really will tell her she is wrong.)

Interesting concept, but who does she choose? From all that I have been hearing and reading about her, all of her admirerers seem to think she is the ONLY "non-corrupt, outside the beltway" politician! So she has to choose insiders which puts this idea back to square one.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Perhaps I am not "with it" but isn't there some embarrassment involved in being a 17 year old unmarried and pregnant?

I am surprised that a mother would subject her daughter to the incredible scrutiny - late night tv show jokes and everything else that goes with it by being selected as a candidate for vice president. In this circumstance I would think you would want to protect your daughter from that.

(And before anyone gets all uppity about making jokes about the children a.) I agree but b.) there is reality. Was it Rush Limbaugh who make the joke that the Clintons had a dog in the White House and then put up a photo of Chelsea??)

[Puckstop31]

Perhaps I am not "with it" but isn't there some embarrassment involved in being a 17 year old unmarried and pregnant?

I am surprised that a mother would subject her daughter to the incredible scrutiny - late night tv show jokes and everything else that goes with it by being selected as a candidate for vice president. In this circumstance I would think you would want to protect your daughter from that.

Perhaps, and just perhaps as I am not a mind reader... But perhaps she did not want her daughter to live with the burden of knowing that her mother passed on the opportunity of a lifetime because of her. Perhaps her daughter having this child is a blessing to them and to her.

Thats the thing, we don't know. A crying shame that both sides of the aisle are playing it up in the press.

[Pam]

Perhaps I am not "with it" but isn't there some embarrassment involved in being a 17 year old unmarried and pregnant?

Aww c'mon Sara, even you know that isn't true. Back when I graduated high school (in 1964 ) we had two KNOWN pregnancies and who knows how many others went off somewhere to have their babies or to kill them. Even Obama took the high road on this, as I expected him too, by saying that his own mother was 18 when she had him. I am sure it was not convenient for her as a teen to have a bi-racial baby either back then. Think of the whole abortion situation that we have now. What if Obama's mother had chosen that route. Who would the Democrats have for a candidate now? Don't get me wrong - I think McCain really blew it with his selection but I applaud Palen's daughter for her decision to keep this baby!

[Edwina's Secretary]

We must have gone to different schools Pam! I remember one girl who got pregnant in high school and she "went away". It was very hush-hush.

I still would want to spare my daughter the embarrassment.

So, I'm sorry, I didn't know there is no embarrassment to being an unwed mother at 17! A different world indeed!

What's odd is when I read the articles about that school on the East Coast where there was allegedly an outbreak of young girls wanting to get pregnant -- it made such a fuss???