Quote Originally Posted by Orangutango
Joyce, she has you fooled. Lol, I don't think there's such a thing as an innocent Doberman puppy... but when she's tired she's really sweet.

And yes, Dance is fully grown apart from having to fill out; she's a little over 17" tall and is 31lbs. She'll be a year old on April 1st.
This made me lol, poor misunderstood Keira.

So a female Toller really is about the same size as Ginger. I know Sizzle was, and it sounds like Dance is too (well, okay, Ginger is quite a bit chunkier, but we are working on that). So it is a size I can handle. Our Tango was a bit bigger though, wasn't she?