17 Kids!!!

[Giselle]

I did not mean "dying" as in our own personal lives. I meant "dying" in the context of carrying capacity.

We are reaching, if not overreached, carrying capacity. As soon as we hit the carrying capacity, the entire human race plummets because there is too many people and not enough resources. By "dying off", I mean that literally. I mean subjecting our next generation to decreased resources and, ultimately, premature death. This family has produced 17 children and raises them under a belief that God wants us to create more and more children. Those 17 children may not produce 17 children themselves, but their parents' beliefs will help them to harbor the desire to create more children, or a "quiver full" so to speak.

[mike001]

The opinions on here totally amaze me. I fail to see where anyone has more right than another to live on our planet earth. Judging people by the number of children they have just isn't civilized. If they can open their hearts and love 17 kids, then so be it. I know I could never do it, but I have nothing against large families.
Some of the opinions sound like Hitler's view on Jews, he didn't think Jews should be allowed on the planet either.
This family is probably happier then your average family who are so busy with their own lives that they never see or do anything as a family unit.
The Kennedy's had very large families, who complained about them?

[Edwina's Secretary]

The opinions on here totally amaze me. I fail to see where anyone has more right than another to live on our planet earth. Judging people by the number of children they have just isn't civilized. If they can open their hearts and love 17 kids, then so be it. I know I could never do it, but I have nothing against large families.
Some of the opinions sound like Hitler's view on Jews, he didn't think Jews should be allowed on the planet either.

I see where you might think about The Nazi's, Mike001. The Nazi's rewarded "aryan" women, such as Mrs. Duggar appears to be, for having lots and lots of babies. They needed them. More soldiers.

I suspect Mrs. Duggar's 17 would earn a medal from Hilter himself.

Beyond that...you don't make any sense...at least in context of this thread. Race, extermination....none of that is anywhere here. This is about responsibility.

If it is to each his own, I assume you won't mind if I pollute the Colorado River with toxic chemicals? Or have a garbage dump in my yard or an outhouse in my backyard..next door to you?

[critter crazy]

If it is to each his own, I assume you won't mind if I pollute the Colorado River with toxic chemicals? Or have a garbage dump in my yard or an outhouse in my backyard..next door to you?

what does having 17 kids have to do with any of that??? you dont have kids do you???

[Lady's Human]

The Nazi's rewarded "aryan" women, such as Mrs. Duggar appears to be, for having lots and lots of babies.

WTH????????

Nothing like casting aspersions without having a damned clue who you're talking about.

This is even over the top for you, Sara.

[Edwina's Secretary]

WTH????????

Nothing like casting aspersions without having a damned clue who you're talking about.

This is even over the top for you, Sara.

I'm not the one who started the Nazi comparison. What aspersion did I cast? I did not suggest the Duggars are Nazis or anything of the like.

I simply stated a fact.

THIS

Some of the opinions sound like Hitler's view on Jews

deeply offended me. As it should anyone.

Or are you okay with that aspersion?

[Lady's Human]

Yeppers. Cast away on that one, I missed that.

[dukedogsmom]

what does having 17 kids have to do with any of that??? you dont have kids do you???

And what does that have to do with this? I know of people with kids that have the same opinon I have about the Duggars.

[popcornbird]

If it is to each his own, I assume you won't mind if I pollute the Colorado River with toxic chemicals? Or have a garbage dump in my yard or an outhouse in my backyard..next door to you?

Okay. This is just getting to be too much.

KIDS are KIDS. Human beings. Living beings. One of us. They are NOT toxic chemicals and cannot be compared to toxic chemicals in the Colorodo River at any cost. My gosh.

Again, I repeat, for every 1000 couples, if there is one that has 17 children, how on earth does that affect the world population? I can count on my fingertips, over 17 couples on PT that have no children, you being one of them. Now if all of those 17 people had 1 child each and the Duggars had none, there would still be the same amount of additional children in the world, the same amount of diapers, the same amount of children wasting your taxes, and yet, because it would just be 1 child per couple, no one would see a problem with it.

We are not out of resources, especially here in America. We have a HUGE country, and while cities have large populations, get out of the city, drive on the highways, and you will see hundreds of miles of undeveloped land that has yet to be populated with a single person. We have oceans full of fish, trees full of fruit. In my family's house alone, hundreds of fruit were wasted this year because there were not enough people to eat them before they fell off the trees to rot. What resources do people need? Shelter? Food? Have you ever thought about how these children might grow up to be great contributers in this society? Its possible. They may be very successful people, very special parts of their communities, and may contribute a great deal when they grow up. America will also have 17 more taxpayers who will be paying a LOT of taxes.

We don't pay taxes for this family. We pay taxes for the country, and every human being included within....that includes you and me. So...if you're paying for 302,968,100 people, or paying for 302,968,117, it really isn't going to make any difference. You also have to keep in mind that for those 17 kids that were born, there were many other people that died, keeping the population in balance.

Besides, what is the point of this discussion? Does anyone really think the Duggars would care? They're happy and content with their huge family, and that's probably all that matters to them.

And you know what else? 17 kids might be shocking, hard to imagine, and I know it leaves everyone wondering 'why?'...but I find the Duggar's dad far more admirable than another group of men in America...The group of men that stick around in bars, partying all night, make girl after girl pregnant, and leave them to raise that child on their own. I find these men to be completely worthless, heartless, people who think women are there to use, abuse, and toss away like trash. Unfortunately, there are a lot of such men who father many children from many women, and in the end, have nothing to do with the women and children. Even more unfortunately, in America, there are a lot more of these types of men, than men like the Duggar's dad, who, although fathered many children, is faithfully there for his wife and children, and hasn't abandoned a single one of them.

With a world full of unfaithful men who would rather use and dump women than care for the women they 'want', I find a man who faithfully cares for a family of 19 without giving up and running away, leaving them on their own, very admirable. His family is cared for...loved. There are so many children in this country who will never even know their fathers, because their 'wonderful dad' chose to dump their mother after making her pregnant, and going for another woman, only to make her pregnant. People like that, I have a big problem with.

[Pam]

I suspect Mrs. Duggar's 17 would earn a medal from Hilter himself.

I assume you won't mind if I pollute the Colorado River with toxic chemicals? Or have a garbage dump in my yard or an outhouse in my backyard..next door to you?

Just when I thought your posts couldn't become more strange. You really can't be serious with these comments. I won't even open this thread any more.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Just when I thought your posts couldn't become more strange. You really can't be serious with these comments. I won't even open this thread any more.

Pam, I have great respect for you but I am disappointed that you would take quotes out of context and use them like this.

[Edwina's Secretary]

In this thread I have argued...passionately...for responsible reproduction...taking into consideration the impact of family size on this earth and the need for all of its creatures to have clean air, clean water and adequate food.

In return, I have been called nazi-like, rude, anti-children, strange, and "even you Sara" (twice!) I may have missed some of the nastiness toward me. Sorry if I left you out.

So, there you have it

...if it feels good do it! Don't worry about the consequences...someone else will take care of it. Just be happy! Don't worry!

[Lady's Human]

Sara, this is nothing new for you in a thread, though.

Okay, normally it's pinko commie and not nazi.

[columbine]

...if it feels good do it! Don't worry about the consequences...someone else will take care of it. Just be happy! Don't worry!

I still appreciate your attempt to inject some sense into the discussion - I just bailed when it turned into an emotional screamfest.

Love, Columbine