17 Kids!!!

[Pam]

Glad you asked, Pam. The state of Florida, for example, does not allow gays to adopt children. There are only what, one or two states that allow them to marry?

Yes, and people are free to actually move from state to state and do it often for many reasons. I would imagine that to a gay person this might be a good reason to move. I repeat again that I do not see the connection at all between that topic and the original idea behind this thread.

I suppose you might also think that, in keeping with the explosive population, sterilizing people based on their family income might be a good idea. After all, a poor family cannot contribute much at all to the planet but instead just takes. Where I have heard the term *unproductive eaters* before? I shudder to think where your attitude could take us.

Yes, you pay taxes and so do I. Your tax dollars are no different than mine yet you take such offense. I think your problem with this family goes deeper than just the size of their family.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Yes, and people are free to actually move from state to state and do it often for many reasons. I would imagine that to a gay person this might be a good reason to move. I repeat again that I do not see the connection at all between that topic and the original idea behind this thread.

I suppose you might also think that, in keeping with the explosive population, sterilizing people based on their family income might be a good idea. After all, a poor family cannot contribute much at all to the planet but instead just takes. Where I have heard the term *unproductive eaters* before? I shudder to think where your attitude could take us.

Yes, you pay taxes and so do I. Your tax dollars are no different than mine yet you take such offense. I think your problem with this family goes deeper than just the size of their family.

Please do not analyse me without a license!

And PCB...

The government doesn't want gays to marry, not because 'they control family life'. Its because marriage is between man and woman, and that is how God made mankind, and made the world,

The government of the United States should NOT be making decisions based on religion just as religious leaders hould not be making political decisions!

I have a problem with overpopulators - white, black, brown, christian, muslim.

So, if a man went on the Today Show (or Jerry Springer) and introduced his wife, then said he was also having relations with her sister, her brother, her mother, her grandmother, her great uncle and his wife, your response would be..."this is a free country so I make no judgement!"

I am my brother's keeper, no man is an island, etc. WE all have to live on this earth together so I DO get to have an opinion (judgement if you prefer) about how others are using the planet. And so do you.

Do you think if I see someone polluting it would be judgemental of me to disapprove?

[lady_zana]

The government of the United States should NOT be making decisions based on religion just as religious leaders hould not be making political decisions!

That's what I said! I completely agree!

Yes, and people are free to actually move from state to state and do it often for many reasons. I would imagine that to a gay person this might be a good reason to move.

Gay people shouldn't HAVE to move. They should be allowed to marry and adopt kids in ANY state. I would be interested in hearing any arguments against gay marriage and adoption that are not religious-based.

[sparks19]

It just sounds to me like people are just out for a good witch hunt here.

All the issues brought up about this family are based on nothing but assumptions. They are polluting the earth with 90,000 diapers (yet you don't know if they even used disposable. You just assume) Well then they consume more food and produce more waste (yet you don't know if they have a compost, recycle, etc etc.) They COULD be more earth friendly than anyone around them but that wouldn't matter to any of you because there are 19 of them.... well I for one think that perhaps 19 people who always turn off the lights, unplug appliances, recycle everything that can be recycled, compost etc etc are much better for the planet than say.... 19 families of 3 that do NONE of that.... and we all know there are PLENTY of those families. All based on assumption of what you THINK this family does or doesn't do. Not to mention "It's MY tax money" Well eventually all 19 of those people will be paying tax money too.... but I'll bet they don't throw a hissy fit everytime you use their roads. Your tax money vs 19 people's tax money.... seems they will be paying more into taxes than you do.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Nineteen people create more waste than five people. I don't care if they use cloth diapers, disposable diapers or no diapers. Human beings create waste...and more human beings create more waste...and consume more water and put more weight on the roads and more pollution into the enviornment.

I brought up the taxes in response to a question I was asked. "How am I harmed?" Please do not try and twist that response into something entirely different and inane.

Here it is. I am harmed as a taxpayer and as a citizen of planet earth.

These two people have produced 17 more consumers.

I do not care what their religion is or their race. I do not care if they educate their children at home or not at all.

They are, in my opinion, selfish and irresponsible. I would feel that way if they live in the ghetto, a mansion or on a farm.

Overpopulation is a serious threat. Overbreeders should not be glorified in my opinion.

[Giselle]

I did not mean "dying" as in our own personal lives. I meant "dying" in the context of carrying capacity.

We are reaching, if not overreached, carrying capacity. As soon as we hit the carrying capacity, the entire human race plummets because there is too many people and not enough resources. By "dying off", I mean that literally. I mean subjecting our next generation to decreased resources and, ultimately, premature death. This family has produced 17 children and raises them under a belief that God wants us to create more and more children. Those 17 children may not produce 17 children themselves, but their parents' beliefs will help them to harbor the desire to create more children, or a "quiver full" so to speak.

[mike001]

The opinions on here totally amaze me. I fail to see where anyone has more right than another to live on our planet earth. Judging people by the number of children they have just isn't civilized. If they can open their hearts and love 17 kids, then so be it. I know I could never do it, but I have nothing against large families.
Some of the opinions sound like Hitler's view on Jews, he didn't think Jews should be allowed on the planet either.
This family is probably happier then your average family who are so busy with their own lives that they never see or do anything as a family unit.
The Kennedy's had very large families, who complained about them?