110 year sentence (or 10 for good behavior)

[Lady's Human]

There was no misunderstanding, Irescue, it was there in text, and you edited the post shortly after there were major objections to it.

Next time I'll remember to quote the original post so there's no confusion caused by editing after the fact.

[Vela]

I edited because people were twisting the sentence. We all know from previous flame throwing posts (and there are so many on PT), that pters can't comprehend English so well. They hear what they want to, and if they don't hear it, they twist around words until they do.

So you are condescending first, talk down to ALL military personnel and call them scum, then call PTers basically stupid and can't comprehend English and say your words were twisted around and misinterpreted? You can't misinterpret "soldiers are scum" and "I don't like any of those people". Nothing there to misinterpret.

[AbbyMom]

Exactly.

There was no misunderstanding, Irescue, it was there in text, and you edited the post shortly after there were major objections to it.

[jackie]

Can you list the rights that you have been denied lately? Or even one?

Ahem?

[JenBKR]

I may not agree with the reasons our president sends our soldiers to war, but I damn well support each and every single one of them out there. I'm sure they are ecstatic to be away from their families, to be away from the comforts of life here. I'm sure it is a lovely picnic in the sun and sand! (sarcasm off)

They have to experience things that will stay with them the rest of their lives. They come home to people like the poster calling them scum, and have to live with people in their own country treating them like they ARE scum. Many in poverty or wounded and can't get jobs or psychological help! Many end up on the streets, mentally and physically wounded for the rest of their lives, and to have the audacity to call them scum....it's disgusting.

To those who have come before, those serving now, and those to come after, thank you for putting your lives on the line, whether you want to be where you are sent or not. You have my most sincere gratitude.

You said this so much better than I could have. I agree completely. IRescue, I am pretty shocked by your statements - and I only read the edited posts. You mentioned something about your religion - while I don't know what religion you are, I imagine that if someone said that they didn't like any person of that religion at all and called them scum, you would be extremely upset. But I suppose it's ok for you to make sure blanket statements


As for you saying PT people don't understand English and we misinterpreted it:

Unfortunately after many many many stories like this I don't like any soldiers at all.

Just trying to figure out then what you meant by this statement. I don't see how this can be misinterpreted in any way, it's there in plain English (then again, I am a PTer so I can't comprehend English )

[Jessika]

There was no misunderstanding, Irescue, it was there in text, and you edited the post shortly after there were major objections to it.

Next time I'll remember to quote the original post so there's no confusion caused by editing after the fact.

I did read her original post, and it was clear as day, in black and white. There was no misunderstanding from anyone.

[crow_noir]

I don't want to dig through my memory for i don't want to raise anger or get too off topic in this thread...

First thing that came to my mind is not being allowed to take things on airplanes, into court houses (for crying out loud get lockers!), etc. I don't care if it is for security or not.

The case IR is referring to (I think) is Pagans being denied the right to have ANY of their symbols on military headstones. "Wicca" is an official recognized religion in the U.S. Last year a judge denied a soldier's family the right to have a pentacle (the upright star) placed on his headstone even though the military will technically allow any official religious symbol to be placed on one. OMG that case made me so angry!!! This is supposed to be the land of religious freedom!!! If he was good enough to serve our military and give his life for this country, i think the least this country can do for him is grant him his request in death. This may not affect me personally, but being denied a harmless request like that sends up red flags. I feel indirectly like my rights are being infringed on by this one.

People being hauled away for saying negative things about our president. (Not widely publicized, but earlier on you could find articles here and there of random incidences. Not just celebs getting shunned. I think they finally realized they were pushing it and have lightened up. I haven't read about any recent cases of this happening.) (and I'm not talking about getting hauled away for things like jokes about killing the guy... I'm taking about simple stuff like calling him "King George")

Yeah... that's all i got right now... Like i said though... I don't want to get too angry or off subject.

Can you list the rights that you have been denied lately? Or even one?

[CathyBogart]

Crow, I hadn't heard about the man being denied a pentacle on his headstone - how terribly sad! How infuriating that "mainstream" religions get preferential treatment....

[Lady's Human]

I remember several cases of people being arrested for making threats against the president, (Not just the current president, but the two previous residents of 1600 PA Ave as well) but for making negative comments? Links please, and something substantial.

Rights infringed? The military was enforcing long standing policy, (The military has a reg for everything, up to and including marital relations with your spouse) the case went to court, the court ruled in favor of having other religious symbols in military cemeteries,case closed. It's the Constitutional process, it worked as it is supposed to. Everyone gets their day in court if needed.

[crow_noir]

I'd love to, i really would. I have a tendency myself not to believe "it" if i can't see it for myself from a credible source. However these cases mostly happened over two or three years ago. Most of the news links would be on my other computer(decommissioned)... anyway old news links rarely work. I read thousands of news articles a year and can't bookmark every single one of them let alone copy them all down to MSWord... which i only recently started doing when i realized my links were no longer working. I can't spend all my time reading the news and copying down articles... I wouldn't have time to do anything else such as writing to my representatives or helping out with the local rescues. ...and with as many things that i save, it takes FOREVER to find anything. *chuckling at self for all the clutter despite efforts at organization*

I remember several cases of people being arrested for making threats against the president, (Not just the current president, but the two previous residents of 1600 PA Ave as well) but for making negative comments? Links please, and something substantial.

[crow_noir]

Now please everyone, finish up (one final rebuttal) what ever you have to say to each other by Noon today and get back on to the topic at hand or i WILL have this thread locked. Though i doubt there is much left to say... I think we're all in agreement that what these four did is horrible.

[Sevaede]

My maternal grandfather was a Marine for over 20 years. He served in Vietnam. He doesn't like to speak of the war (although I do recall a story of having been sprayed with Agent Orange?).

My dad was in the Army for nearly 10 years.

They are very, VERY good men. They have never, and would never, hurt a fly.

Not trying to stir up any issues. Just adding some loved ones to the list of PT family who has served.

[Vela]

Now please everyone, finish up (one final rebuttal) what ever you have to say to each other by Noon today and get back on to the topic at hand or i WILL have this thread locked.

Is that a joke? LOL If that's NOT a joke it ought to be.

[jackie]

Is that a joke? LOL If that's NOT a joke it ought to be.

Yes, considering she is talking about the right to free speech.

LOL!

[Vela]

Yes, considering she is talking about the right to free speech.

LOL!

That's what I was thinking =x LOL