My maternal grandfather was a Marine for over 20 years. He served in Vietnam. He doesn't like to speak of the war (although I do recall a story of having been sprayed with Agent Orange?).

My dad was in the Army for nearly 10 years.

They are very, VERY good men. They have never, and would never, hurt a fly.

Not trying to stir up any issues. Just adding some loved ones to the list of PT family who has served.