110 year sentence (or 10 for good behavior)

[lady_zana]

I'm sorry if you are upset, Wom, that I called your post offensive but I feel it was and is.

The peacemakers do support our rights as well as the military. How long would it last without the military? For quite some time. Look at the good works of Martin Luther King, JR. He preached nonviolence and taught his followers not to respond to violence.

I mentioned the revolutions not because of their militias but to point out the reasons we went to war. People believe the American Revolution was fought for freedom such as freedom of speech and religious freedom. It wasn't. It was fought because they didn't want to pay extra taxes to Britain. Is that a good reason to go to war especially when they knew they were moving to a colony which was made to make money for Britain? Probably not. The militia was not fighting for free speech.

I'm sorry that you have been shunned and insulted by many in society. Believe me, I know how horrible that can be. I've seen my friends hurt, wounded, and made into outcasts - not because they were in the military but because they are gay. However, we still believe nonviolence is the best way and will continue to fight our cause through on terms

[sirrahbed]

WOW - both at reading about what these soldiers did and at the anti-soldier comments.

First off - where *I* am coming from....I was born into and grew up in - a military family. My dad served in WWII and in Korea. He retired after 27 years. My only sibling served for 25 years. I married into military, too. Hubby served in Vietnam and the Persian Gulf, then retired after 26 years. We have been civilians for ten years now. Of my three now grown children, one went through ROTC in highschool and through college on scholarship (now civilian) Our one daughter is married to military and her hubby served in Iraq. We still live in a military town near an AF base. So, I tend to be patriotic, supportive of the military, yet I am also a civilian who is concerned about the war.

What I wanted to comment on was the perception and observations of "military folks & soldiers".....

I have always felt that the military soldiers and families we have met and lived with throughout the years were intelligent, honorable, dependable and disciplined. I believe the ratio of scum among the military population is way less than average.


I am disgusted to read about this rape and murder - but do not feel the soldier will get off lightly. Probably worse. This is based on individuals that I have known about who committed any sort of crime and had to be tried in our military system. I have NEVER heard of any crime being minimized - we don't want low-life in our military! The military I know does not tolerate bad behavior.

As a whole, we are among the most committed, law-abiding and respectful people I have ever come in contact with. If new neighbors move to our area - I am happy to learn if they are military. Knowing that someone has served in the military is a plus to me. When I see young men and women while I am out shopping or whatever - they are most likely polite, clean and helpful. If my car breaks down, it is quite likely that it will be someone military who stops to help me. Hubby now teaches at the local highschool and his military dependent students tend to be the most educated and behaved of the bunch. Their parents respond if they are called!

Any scum to the civilian world is scum to those within the military as well.

What sort of experiences have you all had that make you see military as scum???

[Sirrahsim]

WOW - both at reading about what these soldiers did and at the anti-soldier comments.

First off - where *I* am coming from....I was born into and grew up in - a military family. My dad served in WWII and in Korea. He retired after 27 years. My only sibling served for 25 years. I married into military, too. Hubby served in Vietnam and the Persian Gulf, then retired after 26 years. We have been civilians for ten years now. Of my three now grown children, one went through ROTC in highschool and through college on scholarship (now civilian) Our one daughter is married to military and her hubby served in Iraq. We still live in a military town near an AF base. So, I tend to be patriotic, supportive of the military, yet I am also a civilian who is concerned about the war.

What I wanted to comment on was the perception and observations of "military folks & soldiers".....

I have always felt that the military soldiers and families we have met and lived with throughout the years were intelligent, honorable, dependable and disciplined. I believe the ratio of scum among the military population is way less than average.

I am disgusted to read about this rape and murder - but do not feel the soldier will get off lightly. Probably worse. This is based on individuals that I have known about who committed any sort of crime and had to be tried in our military system. I have NEVER heard of any crime being minimized - we don't want low-life in our military! The military I know does not tolerate bad behavior.

As a whole, we are among the most committed, law-abiding and respectful people I have ever come in contact with. If new neighbors move to our area - I am happy to learn if they are military. Knowing that someone has served in the military is a plus to me. When I see young men and women while I am out shopping or whatever - they are most likely polite, clean and helpful. If my car breaks down, it is quite likely that it will be someone military who stops to help me. Hubby now teaches at the local highschool and his miltary dependent studenst tend to be the most educated and behaved of the bunch. Their parents respond if they are called!

Any scum to the civilian world is scum to those within the military as well.

What sort of experiences have y'all had that make you see military as scum???

I couldn't have said it better!!

[Alysser]

Unfortunately after many many many stories like this I don't like any soldiers at all. I hate having to watch on the news when they have welcome back parties for soldiers. Since there is no draft, I naturally assume people who willing take part in the army can be classed together. I know not everybody is the same, but its going to take a lot to get me to trust anybody who supports soldiers or was one for this war.

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Wow, that's disgusting. I can only imagine what you do when you see a story about a soldier dying. My brother was in this war. You just take one bad apple from the group and assume all are the same? I really feel bad for you, that you don't trust soldiers. I for one, know my brother is not untrustworthy and does not go around raping and murdering people. Surley, he is immature at times, but who isn't? If you can't respect soldiers who defend your country, then WHO do you respect?

I can honestly say I am very offended by that comment. And to anyone else who was I'm sorry.

[sirrahbed]

Has this thread been heavily edited or some posts deleted? ?? The comments that made me see yesterday seem to have disappeared??

well, just as well I guess.