At wit's end!

[barncat]

You and your vet are probably correct in thinking this is territorial... and as others have said, females will martk territory too. Things might be more intense right now because of the season change. Even "fixed" cats sometimes react hormonally to the spring breeding season (that's assuming you live in a area with warm/cold seasons...I forgot to check). My guys always get into more fights and "play" sex (everyone is fixed!) when the weather warms up. Providing separate spaces and reintroductions (as everyone is saying) may help. Once they settle in and are used to each other it usually gets better. You may want to make your bedroom off limits to the suspects. It is most likely your "nest" that is the most contested spot and if they can't compete for it, it might help....It will certainly help you get a better night's sleep.

[jazzcat]

Thanks everyone! I think I mostly needed to vent.

Craftlady - I've added the Rescue Remedy to their drinking water so it gets diluted but maybe I need to try more direct approach of putting it on their tongue. Or else I'll just do what Glacier suggested and use it myself, LOL.

Medusa - I will call my vet Monday and ask about Clomicalm. I remember you mentioning it before but I didn't get too far once I saw I needed a prescription . I'll persue it now.

Jen - Thanks you and (((HUGS))). I knew you would understand since you've been dealing with it for some time. You are right - cats do set a limit and my guys are telling me we've breached the limit.

Freedom - Rumor is female so I'm not excluding them. I really do suspect her and her brother Rocky. They were my babies before Moxie and Decker and they are extremely jealous and act like big babies over every little thing. Rocky even cries like a baby, constantly. It used to be cute but his behavior has gotten out of hand.

Glacier - thanks for the suggestions. I think I may go back to using the Feliway diffusers to see if even amounts being dispensed works better than my sporatic spraying. Scout gets picked on the most but she seems to take it in stride. I will be shocked if it is her though.

Gary and Barncat - thanks for the support and we've started closing the bedroom door so they don't have access to our bed now. I'm just praying it doesn't make them worse.

For everyone, I don't know if I can really separate anyone. I don't have a large enough kennel and I really don't have a room to put them in. How to do that stumps me right now. I love Moxie and Decker and I would have a hard time parting with them but if someone here on PT really wanted them I would consider it just to get back to some kind of normal here. This just frustates me and breaks my heart.

For now I will try the chemical route. I will use Feliway and Rescue Remedy again and hopefully my vet will help me out with Clomicalm.

Thanks for all the support and prayers! I went outside and worked in my yard to work off some frustration and anger. I chopped down two forsythia bushes and pruned some others to almost stubs but I feel better!

[krazyaboutkatz]

Lori, I'm so sorry to hear that you're having spraying problems. You've already been given a lot of great advice. I hope that the clomicalm, feliway diffusers, and rescue remedy will do the trick. Please continue to keep us updated and take care.

[Craftlady]

Rescue works great on humans, a few drops on wrist works wonders for humans.
With animals and humans, frequency of use is key. 4 drops on the skin 3 times a day for pets.

[jennielynn1970]

Rescue works great on humans, a few drops on wrist works wonders for humans.
With animals and humans, frequency of use is key. 4 drops on the skin 3 times a day for pets.

I thought it had to be put in water???

[jennielynn1970]

I thought my guys were behaving a little better, but I think I was just not
looking in the right places. I have a countertop pee-er again. I think two actually. There is a lighter colored pee and a darker colored pee... so I'm guessing two different cats. Also having the girls (yes the girls) spray the wood moulding and the walls in my bedroom, the litter room, living room...
gosh, where aren't they spraying. The one corner in the stairway is
just atrocious. Then there are one or two kitties pooping on the floor in the litterbox room. SIGH.....

I don't put any cat beds down either. If I did, they'd be peed on. I don't
put plastic on anything either, cause they'd just pee on that too. When I
tried putting blankets on things, they peed on the blankets. I'm at a loss
about what to do with my dining room table. If I leave it bare, someone
pees on it. If I put one of the thick plastic coated covers on it, and then a tablecloth, they pee on it. Should I just get rid of the table?! They do the
same thing to the buffet next to it. If there are papers or books on them,
they'll pee all over them too.

The vet just says that it's behavioral. I've got 6 in the main part of the house. It's not a small house either, so there is enough places for them to each have their own room to be in if they wanted.

I've tried the Feliway, but with so many rooms, and they are big with high ceilings, I need about 12 of them, and I can't afford that every month. I tried the "calm down" from Petsmart that you put in the water. No good. I tried separating them before, but that just moves one or two of the pee-ers to another room, and I have peeing in the whole house and the separate room too. I can't win.

Part of me wonders what would happen if I put Furbee, my one foster downstairs, in the basement. It's just so icky down there though. I know she hates everyone else, and likes to be by herself, but that just seems mean. Plus I have the basement finally NOT smelling like cat pee cause no one is allowed down there (it's totally unfinished and 106 years old old brick and other icky whitewashed crap). It scares the daylights out of me, actually. I avoid the basement as much as possible.

Ugh. Who knows. They drive me crazy, but I still love them.

[Catty1]

The calming stuff you got from Petsmart, if it is their own brand, may not be very strong - or you might have to double the dose.

Remember my note on Feliway on the collars? And Feliway can be bought in bulk online and saves bucks. I also find that since I give Oscar a shot on his collar twice a day, I go through less than if I am spraying around the house in general.

If you think you know who the troublemakers are, they may be the only ones needing the collars.

Get the real thing - Rescue Remedy, and try the type of application Craftlady suggested.

Her Thumper is getting amazing results from Reiki on a huge head tumour - so if her Reiki lady says to put X number of drops on the skin, I am all for it!

Don't put Feliway directly on the skin though.

Prayers something works!

[Craftlady]

I thought it had to be put in water???

The actual remedy is mixed with spring water.
Application can be on food, on skin, in mouth directly. In small amounts.

[Medusa]

Boy, I thought I had problems w/pee cats. Guess not after reading all these posts. And someone (I can't recall who) said that there were maybe 1 or 2 incidents a week! Yikes! I don't feel so bad now. Since I found Clomicalm there have been no incidents. I know what you're thinking, that I just don't know where they occurred. And you could be right. But I have the nose for sniffing out pee. I think we all have acquired that lovely talent since taking in furkids. And my house is small, only 1800 sq. ft. plus the enclosed patio. If there's pee, I smell it. And everyone who comes into my house, even workers, say that you can't even tell I have one cat, let alone 7. I feel for you, I really do, because when Specs was peeing, I was ready to toss him out the window, I'd get so angry. But then he'd look up at me w/those Emmett Kelley eyes of his and his furry butt was saved. I sure hope you can get some relief from this problem. I know how frustrating it is, believe me.

[krazyaboutkatz]

Lori, Here's a very good article that goes over exactly what you're going through. I hope it helps. How To Solve Housesoiling Problems.

[jazzcat]

Craftlady - I will try applying it to the skin, thank you!

Tracey - that article is great! It has a lot of the advice I was given here plus more. Hopefully with all this I can nip it in the bud. I'm trying to be positive.

[carole]

Lori just wanted to say i completely understand your fustration and stress, since adding the two newbies to my household I have had a few problems now and then too, luckily its not been really bad, and mostly the offending has occurred downstairs, when i just had Lexie and Ash i never had these problems and i have never known who the culprit is,,sometimes you regret your decision, but when those lil loving eyes look up at me , i know in my heart i did the right thing, i just hope something works for you and the kitties, and i know how awful it all can be, here's hoping hon. good luck.

[catnapper]

Lori, I admit I didn't read everyone's replies, so if I repeat anything, then its just goes to backup what someone else already said

Have you tried "Cat Attract" litter? I swear it works. When I use it, I have very few markings. I won't swear nobody pees where they oughtn't but I might get one or two little spots a week when I'm using the Cat Attract litter. Its expensive, but highly worth it. One bag will fill two small litterboxes for a week.