Anti-smacking law in NZ...

[king2005]

a whip!!!!!!!!!! are you kidding me?!?! holy hell those poor kids! There is such a huge difference from a quick tap on the bottom & a freaken whip!!!

I was dragged in an adult store with the guys... Chad called me so I'd turn around, & he gently hit me with a little whip on the side of my face... My goodness that little thing hurt like heck!! The pain those kids must go through if whipped hard in punishment

How could a parent do that?!?!?!?!

[carole]

Yep it was on the telly last night, what really gobsmacked me it was considered reasonable force to discipline a child with and she walked away from that court a free woman, how wrong is that, if you did that to an adult , you would be up for assault, so you can see why the law needed an overhaul can't you?she is not an isolated case either,alot of islander people in our country, from Tonga and Samoa, really believe in corporal punishment, it is their culture, they will be finding this new law very hard to abide by.

To my knowledge corporal punishment has not been allowed in our schools for sometime now,of course it could not be able to continue under this new law anyhow, i remember getting the strap as a child at school for talking in class too much, man i was so humilated, it was done in front of everyone, and by my favourite teacher too, that hurt even worse than the strap itself.

[king2005]

Carole, thats so horrible, I'm having a really hard time processing it, as to me its so barbaric (sp). Its one of those things you see in movies & don't think about it happening in real life.

If the country is that bad, then I totally agree with this new law, as the madness has to stop!


BUT I will say this. Outside of Canada & the USA (we're closely tied) I will NOT vote one way or the other... i will give my opinion only, heres my reason why.

Who am I to say what other countries should or shouldn't do? I believe in old cultures & if their people want to live there & continue life as is, then leave them alone.. Sure they might do sick things in my opinion, but thats their culture & should be left as is, unless their people cry out for help.. THEN & only then, would I ever consider stepping in.

I hope that made sence.

[sparks19]

Well if the abuse in the country is that bad then something should be done.... but like you said.... passing an anti smacking law is not going to stop the child abusers. there is a big difference between a smack on the butt and abuse IMO. It's just going to stop parents who give the occassional smack for very wrong doings from disciplining their children OR have them arrested when they really don't deserve that. chances are most of the child abusers aren't out in public beating the snot out of their children. that is the major problem I see with this law. it's not going to stop anything except for those who use the smack responsibly. IMO. I say they give Abusers harsher punishments. Guaranteed jail time. I know around here child services basically has to witness the child abuse before anythign is actually done about it and sometimes even when they do they recommend counselling and other crap. PUT THE ABUSERS IN JAIL ... period. and I think abusers (when caught and sent to jail) should be sterilized no more kids for them.

[carole]

I am sorry I think i have given you all the wrong impression about my country,this is not an isolated case, however it is not a daily occurence either,I imagine child abuse is much the same in the USA,child abuse takes on all forms, from neglect to physical punishment,I do believe however for the size of our population which is four million people, it is far too high, and something needs to be done about it, NZ is a multi-cultural society,there are some cultures who accept corporal punishment as the normal,like alot of the islanders who have emigrated here.

I do think some parents will be treated as criminals,those who believe in a quick smack for wrong doing, and that will be a mistake,the real child abusers will continue despite such a law,they are beyond the law,no law will stop them ,that is for sure.

I am a little worried as to the right of a parent to raise their child as they see fit being taken away from them,I mean what is next ?

[columbine]

In the USA, the emphasis is on liberty. YOUR kids and YOUR wife are YOURS to do with as you see fit. Anybody who tries to interfere with that is a commu - sorry, terrorist (begging your pardon, I'm kinda old).

Of course, if your boyfriend begs to be collared, leashed, and whacked with a rolled-up newspaper, and you're dumb enough to accede, and you get caught, well, it's prison for you, you perv.

Moral of the story: 1) Don't have kids. 2) Don't get married. 3) Don't date.

Love, Columbine (batting 1000 so far!)

[Karen]

In the USA, the emphasis is on liberty. YOUR kids and YOUR wife are YOURS to do with as you see fit.

That is NOT true. Abuse is criminal, here, as it should be. Often, though, an abused person will refuse to press charges, and that makes it difficult to enforce the law, when abuse occurs inside the home and no one talks about it. But a teacher can intervene if they suspect abuse, and Social Service agencies can investigate, etc.

Anybody who tries to interfere with that is a commu - sorry, terrorist (begging your pardon, I'm kinda old).

Of course, if your boyfriend begs to be collared, leashed, and whacked with a rolled-up newspaper, and you're dumb enough to accede, and you get caught, well, it's prison for you, you perv.

Again, not true, unless he agrees to press charges.

Moral of the story: 1) Don't have kids. 2) Don't get married. 3) Don't date.

Love, Columbine (batting 1000 so far!)

[lizbud]

IMO. I say they give Abusers harsher punishments. Guaranteed jail time. I know around here child services basically has to witness the child abuse before anythign is actually done about it and sometimes even when they do they recommend counselling and other crap. PUT THE ABUSERS IN JAIL ... period. and I think abusers (when caught and sent to jail) should be sterilized no more kids for them.

I think this Prosecuter & Judge in this recent case, heard you. This jerk
recieved 40 yrs in prison for abuse to his 2 yr old step daughter.Her injuries
revealed beatings over a period of time.

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/11258997/detail.html

[sparks19]

I think this Prosecuter & Judge in this recent case, heard you. This jerk
recieved 40 yrs in prison for abuse to his 2 yr old step daughter.Her injuries
revealed beatings over a period of time.

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/11258997/detail.html

Well I have been known to be ... Loud lol.

that is terrible. I feel so bad for these kids... especially a little two year old.... and it has been going on over a period of time?! My goodness the child must have been an infant when it started. it's sickening to me and I am glad they are giving out serious penalties for this kind of thing. There is no excuse.