Westminster 2007- update pg 8 post112*REPLAY 2/13

**cali** · 02-15-2007, 07:46 PM

those porr GSDs made me sad, I noticed in the video one even fell over on the go around, and the one that took BB bunny hopped the down and back. then when they were taking the pics the one had to sit, he looked like he could not hold up his rear, and that AOM winners rear legs were wobbling all over the place, they finally had to spary something on her feet to help keep them steady

I couldnt belive those handlers and owners were actually PROUD of this

**3GSDMom** · 02-15-2007, 07:54 PM

Yes, Im not fond of the American lines at all. I dont find them very appealing. That Geneva (The one that won out of the GSDs- Bred by James Moses, Kaleef dogs) is not a very pretty dog at all. A lot of people find her "stunning" but I find her quite the opposite. However, the GSD that placed second, Ch Rowland's Cezanne Of Imp-Cen, was gorgeous!. I had the pleasure of meeting him and I'm in love!

**borzoimom** · 02-15-2007, 08:01 PM

Jimmy Moses is a wonderful man!!! I know him well..

**3GSDMom** · 02-15-2007, 08:38 PM

He does seem like a good man. From what I've read. Lol. I was actually hoping to meet him, but didn't see him when I was hanging around the GSD ring.

**.sarah** · 02-15-2007, 08:50 PM

A friend of mine's sister won BOB with her Bouviers des Flandres as well as 1st place in the group ring.

Ch Ace's Indelible Mark HT

**borzoimom** · 02-15-2007, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by Travis_gsd27

He does seem like a good man. From what I've read. Lol. I was actually hoping to meet him, but didn't see him when I was hanging around the GSD ring.

Travis- you were seeing a show quality shepherd. They are different than your dog- sloping lay back ( the shoulder) flat muzzle like a wedge- deeper angulation with powerful hips, sloping top line for agiile back etc. Your baby is beautiful - but not show quality.. The shepherd should have the ability to just run or easily with powerful hind quarters and fluid back to clear a 6 foot or more obstacle...
I know its a different look than what you look at daily- but look at what is supposed to be in the breed- including the length of the back as a almost fluid working machine of motion.. I am sure you were quite surprised- but what you criticized is more what the breed is.. The breed has a serious form to function...

**3GSDMom** · 02-15-2007, 10:17 PM

I am fully aware of the differences between the different lines.
I still do not care for the American Showlines. I'm more into the working dogs, the ones that stay true or as close as possible to Von Stephanitz original plan for the Ultimate working dog. These showline dogs purely breed for Looks...which makes sense because they are Show dogs. They are perfect for what they were bred for...Showing. I wasn't questioning that, I was stating facts that I have learned from numerous breeders and others who work with the breed. As well as the countless hours of research I have put into the breed.
I also know that Travis isn't show quality. Nor do I want him to be. He resembles the working lines more (though I'm not sure of his exact lines, but Im pretty sure it is a mix of different lines).
I was simply answering the question about the angulation. American lines (and sometimes German Show lines) have extreme angulation. (Though that is not the case with all Showlines ofcourse). Working lines have very little angulation.
Don't mean to start an argument or debate, just trying to clear up my post.

ETA- Reread your post, The breed wasn't meant to have that extreme angulation though. No where in the original standard or any standard do I see that they were meant to be bred with that exagerated, over the top angulation.

Perhaps I am misunderstanding what you are trying to say?

**borzoimom** · 02-15-2007, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by Travis_gsd27

I am fully aware of the differences between the different lines.
I still do not care for the American Showlines. I'm more into the working dogs, the ones that stay true or as close as possible to Von Stephanitz original plan for the Ultimate working dog. These showline dogs purely breed for Looks...which makes sense because they are Show dogs. They are perfect for what they were bred for...Showing. I wasn't questioning that, I was stating facts that I have learned from numerous breeders and others who work with the breed. As well as the countless hours of research I have put into the breed.
I also know that Travis isn't show quality. Nor do I want him to be. He resembles the working lines more (though I'm not sure of his exact lines, but Im pretty sure it is a mix of different lines).
I was simply answering the question about the angulation. American lines (and sometimes German Show lines) have extreme angulation. (Though that is not the case with all Showlines ofcourse). Working lines have very little angulation.
Don't mean to start an argument or debate, just trying to clear up my post.

ETA- Reread your post, The breed wasn't meant to have that extreme angulation though. No where in the original standard or any standard do I see that they were meant to be bred with that exagerated, over the top angulation.

Mine were the top working lines in the US as well... Here is midas. one of the photos I have I use the most but as Dr.goodnow can tell you- tops he may be- there were many after and before him out of my lines. I had some of the top SCh111 etc and working shepherds in the country... And all looked the same...