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    Richard I think you have every right to be upset with this person. That WAS rude in my opinion. it is HER responsibility to adhere to her diet. Her being P.O's because you fed her pork. Of course I am assuming you did not hold her down and force feed her some pork. If she wants everyone else to be responsible for her diet then she should wear a sign that says "Do not allow me to eat pork because I cannot do it myself"

    What ever happened to PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY?

    It is HER fault she ate pork and no one else's and her attitude about it and basically saying what a terrible night she had because of it was totally uncalled for.

    There is a difference between refusing things because of your religion or diet and griping about nice things people do for you. That just shows me that they are not very happy in their religion if they do nothing but complain about nice gestures because they don't celebrate it or can't eat it.




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    I think it's very sad indeed when people are rude to someone who is trying to be kind and thoughtful towards them. I feel there is so much anger and rudeness in the world on a daily basis, that we all ought to be thankful for a kind gesture.

    A Christmas card or greeting, 99% of the time, is given with kind thoughts in mind. It's not meant to try to convert someone to another religion. I truly don't understand. If someone gives a gift for your birthday, for example, that you don't like, you are gracious about it, right? You say, "Oh, thank you so much for the lovely lime green knitted slippers, Aunt Martha. You must have worked so hard on them!" You don't say, "OMG, I don't wear slippers! My feet are always hot! These are ugly and too small!" So why do people not practice the same good manners and grace when presented with a card or a friendly salutation?

    As for food, my brother has been a vegetarian for decades. He would not eat meat just to be polite. Nor should he be expected to. However, I've never once heard him declare his beliefs for all to hear, or say anything negative about the meals prepared for him. He quietly and graciously just passes on the dishes made with meat. He expects no one to know or care about his personal choices. As it should be, IMO.

    When my niece was born, my sister sent birth announcements to her friends and co-workers. She sent one to one of her co-workers, who, unknown to my sister, was a Jehovah's Witness. The woman later berated and chastised my sister for violating her religious views, for being unfeeling and uncaring, etc. My sister had NO idea what she talking about. Well, turns out my sister had put a postage stamp on the envelope that happened to be about donating blood, an apparent no-no in this woman's religion. An extreme example, to be sure, but sadly, not all that uncommon these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twisterdog
    When my niece was born, my sister sent birth announcements to her friends and co-workers. She sent one to one of her co-workers, who, unknown to my sister, was a Jehovah's Witness. The woman later berated and chastised my sister for violating her religious views, for being unfeeling and uncaring, etc. My sister had NO idea what she talking about. Well, turns out my sister had put a postage stamp on the envelope that happened to be about donating blood, an apparent no-no in this woman's religion. An extreme example, to be sure, but sadly, not all that uncommon these days.
    That is a no win situation. If your niece hadn't sent her a card the lady would have been just as mad!!! Some people just like to gripe because they are miserable and want everyone else to be too.
    No matter what anyone does, someone some where will be offended some how!!!!
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    I agree with the dietary requirement issue - however, please please, if I invite you over for dinner, tell me what you can't eat. I will be more than happy to make something you can eat!!! I don't want to make a roast, if all you wanted were the potatoes and vegies!

    As for the "postage blood donor" - good grief, geta life!!! It is not as if you did it on purpose ....

    And Richard, backing up your vegan "issues" - IMO if you are a vegan, GO TO A VEGAN restaurant!!! There are so many of them in Australia ...... well, in Melbourne anyway

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    I don't think the first example was necessarily rude... he was making a meal just for her, she should let him know while he was shopping what her restrictions are. However, if a group meal has been prepared, by all means you should try to be gracious about it and not expect everyone else to make allowances for your preferences, especially if you don't have any good reason to assume they would be aware of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophist
    I don't think the first example was necessarily rude... he was making a meal just for her, she should let him know while he was shopping what her restrictions are..
    Oh, she wasn't rude...She waited uintil the poor guy had shopped for half the meal.

    He told her up front that he was making two fish dishes....one was in filet form, the other was sushi. Now, I don't mind a sake with my sushi.....But if a chef type person offeree me a meal I'd suspect that alcohol was part of the menu, either cokking or drinking.

    My point was that people aren't williing to be polite by pointing out that they do have a dietary restriction because of their religion..

    This woman didn't become a Mormon until he got the wine......Then she got religion......

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICHARD

    This woman didn't become a Mormon until he got the wine......Then she got religion......
    I can't judge that without seeing the show for myself, but that doesn't seem to be clearly inferred from the first post. Also, I disagree that one should naturally assume that a meal had to involve alcohol and caffeine simply because a professional was making it, and she did have him go ahead and make it once she realized it was something that would have the chance to cook out.

    Again, it wasn't like this chef had invited her over for dinner and she didn't say anything and then pitched a fit. He randomly picked her out of the supermarket, and they were shopping for things to bring into her home. I think that is a pretty big distinction.

    The muslim woman who was furious that pork was ordered to her table while she was out to eat was, IMO, crossing a line. A muslim woman helping me shop for a meal I am going to make just for her in her own home who says "Oh, I can't do bacon!" doesn't cross the same line. For me, it is the difference between insisting someone else follows your restrictions, and asking someone else to respect your beliefs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICHARD
    Oh, she wasn't rude...She waited uintil the poor guy had shopped for half the meal.

    He told her up front that he was making two fish dishes....one was in filet form, the other was sushi. Now, I don't mind a sake with my sushi.....But if a chef type person offeree me a meal I'd suspect that alcohol was part of the menu, either cokking or drinking.

    My point was that people aren't williing to be polite by pointing out that they do have a dietary restriction because of their religion..

    This woman didn't become a Mormon until he got the wine......Then she got religion......
    At least he hadn't paid for it already!

    There are quite a few recipes that do not call for any type of alcohol. Plenty. That also ties into the Mormon thing. She probably didn't think it necessary to announce her religion until something directly involving it came up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by captain
    And Richard, backing up your vegan "issues" - IMO if you are a vegan, GO TO A VEGAN restaurant!!! There are so many of them in Australia ...... well, in Melbourne anyway
    If I had to go to a vegan restuarant everytime I wanted to eat out, I would never eat outside of home....I have been a vegetarian for 10 years and have many vegetarian friends and I have never met one that flops around if everyone isn't completely accomodating, as RICHARD suggests.

    I don't agree with trying to "convert" people to vegetarianism but I also don't agree with religious beliefs being pushed onto others, either, as some people do. For some reason, it seems people are only allow to hold beliefs if they are institutionalized.

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