Quote Originally Posted by wolfsoul
I completely agree! Visa doesn't have her CH -- doesn't mean that Solo would have popped out ugly. Just means I haven't finished her. My friend bred shelties her entire life, and they always had females that weren't the greatest looking shelties -- but BOY, did they throw beauties!
I agree that is why I said in my first post that
"titles their dogs either by showing or trials or both"

They have to have something to prove that they are bettering the breed. In some breeds, like th eborder collie, they can not show in conformation because they can not be registered with the CanKC. So the breeders trial their dogs to prove them. In some breeds there has become a seperation form show stock and working stock. You can see this in Labs, GSDs, spainiels(sp) and others. For me they have to be titled in something at the very least.
Nicole