Puppy Mills. What do YOU think they are?

[junescrater716]

I don't understand if puppies in puppy mills are so terrible why do most organizations brand them like AKC,ACA,CAC,etc. Shouldn't they keep an eye on the puppy mill?

[wolfsoul]

I don't understand if puppies in puppy mills are so terrible why do most organizations brand them like AKC,ACA,CAC,etc.

Most registries are only in it for the money. CKC is one of the few that will not register pet shop puppies -- it is illegal.

[junescrater716]

So why then is AKC such a great registry? This is beginning to confuse me. lol

[junescrater716]

We knew where our pug came from but we couldn't just leave him there after the look he gave my dad.

[Karen]

So why then is AKC such a great registry? This is beginning to confuse me. lol

It is not.

[wolfsoul]

So why then is AKC such a great registry? This is beginning to confuse me. lol

AKC isn't a great registry --- honestly it's the national breed clubs that make a registry what it is but the board of delegates are a bunch of tools and make poor choices and only care about money. That's why AKC will register your dog based on a photograph -- it's why they considered making a deal with Petland --- but it's the USA's national registry -- what can ya do? I, myself, will be registering my puppy (and puppies from future litters) with AKC -- not because I like the registry, but because it's the only way my dogs can compete in AKC events. For those who want the titles, you don't have many choices.

[LilacDragon]

AKC isn't a great registry --- honestly it's the national breed clubs that make a registry what it is but the board of delegates are a bunch of tools and make poor choices and only care about money. That's why AKC will register your dog based on a photograph -- it's why they considered making a deal with Petland --- but it's the USA's national registry -- what can ya do? I, myself, will be registering my puppy (and puppies from future litters) with AKC -- not because I like the registry, but because it's the only way my dogs can compete in AKC events. For those who want the titles, you don't have many choices.

The only registration you can get from AKC based on a picture is an ILP and the picture must be accompanied by proof of spay/neuter. An ILP number will enable you to compete in working/obedience venues.

(But, yes, I understand what you are saying and agree.)

[junescrater716]

ohhhhhh!!! I see ok

[LilacDragon]

Most registries are only in it for the money. CKC is one of the few that will not register pet shop puppies -- it is illegal.

Careful. The CKC you are refering to is the Canadian Kennel Club - not the Continental Kennel Club.

Of the U.S. based kennel clubs, AKC is considered the most responsible. If you look at the "breeds" that can be registered with some of the others, you will find most "designer breeds". The AKC requires that breedings be tracked, the breed breed true from generation to generation, and that a stud book be available for a certain amount of years before the National Breed Club for that breed can request that it be registerable.

[wolfsoul]

Careful. The CKC you are refering to is the Canadian Kennel Club - not the Continental Kennel Club.

Yes, most call the Continental Kennel Club the ConKC. Don't ya just love how they made their initials exactly the same lol.

[NicoleLJ]

Yes, most call the Continental Kennel Club the ConKC. Don't ya just love how they made their initials exactly the same lol.

Drives me nuts. On my website I state that puppies can be either AKC or CKC registered (And soon UKC) I always have to explain that I mean the CanadianKC not the ConKC.
Nicole

[junescrater716]

lol. Ok so AKC isn't all it's cracked up to be?

[NicoleLJ]

lol. Ok so AKC isn't all it's cracked up to be?

I don't think there is a registry out there that is perfect. But you do have to make due with what there is in your country. For me it is the CanKC and the UKC.
Nicole

[borzoimom]

lol. Ok so AKC isn't all it's cracked up to be?

In any registration, it is only as good as the person behind it. The person that knows Dog A was Bred to Dog B. Realizes that statements of " with papers so in so money, without is so in so money ( less)" - they realize the papers belong to the dog- not for the person to sell...
However- the AKC allows DNA testings to become part of the registration= thus veryifying that is the dog that bred to the other dog.
I think the Canadian Club is pretty good too.
THe other CKC- is awful. YOu can have any dog, out of any mix- known or not, and they will "allow you" to pay them to send you a piece of paper- thats like me sitting at home with my own printer, that people could send in a picture of their whatever, and what the hey- I charge them 15 bucks ( making this up.. but you get the point) and send them back a piece of paper worth the price of a piece of paper (.001) of a cent.. The same CKC is also using the "designer breeds" ( the same breeds by the way you can get at any shelter in the US) giving them the same registrations worthless printed paper legitimacy of a breed by issuing such worthless piece of paper. Any "certificate of authenticy" is really only worth what is being authenticated.
Now I am not saying someones sweet little pug mix is a " worthless" dog. I am saying however that this other CKC registration is based off of making money- not trying to encourage the " pure bred dog". Our human society recently started putting pictures of the same breeds in their shelter and it says " PRICE- 55 DOLLARS FOR ADOPTION FEE" "Receive free one free vet visit and Endless dog kisses.."

[Giselle]

Yes, most call the Continental Kennel Club the ConKC. Don't ya just love how they made their initials exactly the same lol.

It's disgusting because the general public has no clue about registries so they generally don't have a clue which reg. is reputable and which is not.

There are many more besides the ConKC and CanKC. I can name others off the top of my head. FCI (Fédération Cynologique Internationale) and FIC (Federation of International Canines), UKC (United Kennel Club) and UKCI (Universal Kennel Club International), etc.

Additionally, there are puppy/kitten retailers (i.e. pet stores) who copy off reputable clubs like the IKC (International Kennel Club).
Here's one version of IKC: http://www.ikcdogshow.com/

Here's another: http://www.internationalkennel.com/

And another: http://www.ikcpups.com/

It's frightening and infuriating to say the least..

As for the question: "What constitutes a good breeder VS. puppy mill?"

A good breeder is one who breeds for the betterment/improvement of the breed. It does not matter if the dog is proven in the field or in the ring. I hate it when people stipulate that a dog must earn championships in the ring. That is most definitely not the only requirement.

A breeder who does not breed for the betterment of the breed is not necessarily a "bad" breeder, but s/he should definitely not be breeding. Then there are some breeders who breed for money. I call these people "greeders". Puppy mills and many BYBs are Greeders, not breeders.