What did your dog(s) eat today?

[sooby707]

im confused i have always heard that feeding your dog "human food" was bad for them. one of my closest friends dog got stomach cancer for that. i have always heard from vets that ekanuba and iams was the best for them.

[Danegirl2208]

im confused i have always heard that feeding your dog "human food" was bad for them. one of my closest friends dog got stomach cancer for that. i have always heard from vets that ekanuba and iams was the best for them.

Eukanuba and iams?? no, they are definatly NOT the best food for dogs...raw foods and "people" foods are a bit diffrent..im not feeding my dogs spaghetti and meatballs or mcdonalds..lol..a raw diet consists of RAW meat (and raw vegetables for some people)..never cooked..its extremly healthy for dogs here are some links

http://www.rawfeddogs.net/
http://www.rawlearning.com/rawfaq.html
http://www.rawfed.com/myths/index.html
http://www.rawlearning.com/bigpicture.html
http://www.rawfed.com/

[sooby707]

ohhhhhh ok thanx

[Kfamr]

im confused i have always heard that feeding your dog "human food" was bad for them. one of my closest friends dog got stomach cancer for that. i have always heard from vets that ekanuba and iams was the best for them.

Hi sooby707 - Welcome to Pet Talk!

You are very right, some "human foods" are VERY bady for dogs. Foods high in fats - gravy, greasy fried foods, etc - can kill a dog. The seasonings, butter, and greese we add to our foods are not good for us or our pups!
However, feeding a diet of all natural raw meats, fruits, and vegetables is completely fine, and in my opinion the best we can give our canines!

Eukanuba and Iams aren't the WORST dog foods, however there are many improvements from them. They certainly aren't the best for them.


Many veterinarians are very poorly educated on actual canine nutrition. In many cases they support and suggestive sell Eukanuba, Iams, Science Diet, etc. because those are the companies that put them thru college. You'll also notice those are the foods they sell in their offices.

If you have any questions on the raw food, or known as the B.A.R.F diet, please feel free to ask in this thread.

Kay

[gemini9961]

For breakfast my 3 had a puree of banana, eggs and yogurt. MMMM!! Tonight Grant will get his chicken quarter. Sadie and Maggie will have chicken too, but probably a drumstick or back. Last night Maggie and Sadie had turkey neck and Grant had his usual chicken quarter. I have seen tons of improvement in their teeth from this diet. I *may* have convinced my mom and aunt to start feeding their dogs this same diet.

[dragondawg]

im confused i have always heard that feeding your dog "human food" was bad for them. one of my closest friends dog got stomach cancer for that. i have always heard from vets that ekanuba and iams was the best for them.

"Human food" is not harmful. My critters expect the last mouth full of what ever I'm eating. The agreement is that if they leave me alone while I'm eating I'll share that last tidbit at the end. Tonight they got left over steak trimmings - after receiving their normal dog food 1 hr before.

Probably the stomach cancer occured because it was destined to occur.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with feeding ekanuba, or iams, or any other other high quality dog food. I feed my 2-3 yr olds Large Puppy Propet formula (27% protein/15% fat). My previous dog got the same brand for 11 years in the performance and maintenance formula. The result has been dogs free of allergies, metabolic diseases, arthritis, gastro-intestinal disturbances, with high energy and over all good health. They usually will consume their food within 30-60 seconds after it is placed in the bowl, day after day, year after year. So much for the evils of commercial dog food.

Pick a premium dog food, and stick with it. A dog does best when its diet is constant. Anything else is just religion.

[bckrazy]

"There is absolutely nothing wrong with feeding ekanuba, or iams, or any other other high quality dog food."

So, it's cool if we fed my little brother Cap'n Crunch for the rest of his life? Sw33t, I will consider it. He loves it, he would eat it every day, he would probably survive on it and have loads of hyper energy... sounds ok to me.

Keep in mind that variety is gooood. Just because dogs survive on kibbles does not mean there isn't plenty of room for improvement, there IS! I don't know why you're encouraging an owner who *does* question the ethics/information behind the massive, corporate, "popular", filler-packed brands to not look into improving her dogs diet. That is what this thread is about! Looking around and considering other ways instead of sticking to what is conventional/easy/familiar. People *should* know what they're putting into their pet's bodies, and they *should* inform themselves rather than listening to every word a conventional vet tells them.

[Kfamr]

You're right, there's nothing wrong with feeding high quality dog food, however Iams and Eukanuba do not fit in that catagory.

[dragondawg]

I don't know why you're encouraging an owner who *does* question the ethics/information behind the massive, corporate, "popular", filler-packed brands to not look into improving her dogs diet.

I was actually responding to someone who questioned whether or not "human food" was good for dogs.

As stated I have fed and continue to feed my dogs Propet dog food. Since Propet dog food is a subsidiary of Carnation, and Carnation is a subsidiary of Nestle would you not agree the brand of dog food could qualify as coming from a massive corporation? It's quite unclear what filler means? But let's just assume that Propet has this nasty filler. Let's also assume that it's popular - although it probably isn't. So having met all of your criteria, once again here's the status of my two dogs...

Palatability of the food. Do the dogs like eating the Propet food? Well if I ask them around feeding time: Are you hungry? Clover immediately lets out a sound of "woo woo woo", and runs to the kitchen, while Barney starts jumping up and down turning in circles, and races down the stairs to the kitchen. Again food hits bowl and it's gone in 30-60 seconds. Could it be possible they like their food? Now what should be mixed in it to get them to jump through glass windows on the way to their feeding bowls?

No allergies, food skin or otherwise. No digestive problems- outside of when Barney decides to go "raw diet" on a deer bone. High energy levels. No metabolic problems. No arthritis. Exactly how can I improve the health of dogs which are in perfect health by altering diet?

Since you don't seem to believe in conventional Vets, do you believe in the points made in this link given in another thread?

Raw vs Kibble

Every major point or category is easily refuted. How does one inform themselves using non-scientific articles?

[dragondawg]

You're right, there's nothing wrong with feeding high quality dog food, however Iams and Eukanuba do not fit in that catagory.

My criteria was a brand with at least as high protein/fat as the so called name brands. And of course I wanted something the puppy dog would enjoy eating. Of course I eliminated Purina, Ole Roy as a matter of course. When I found Propet it was before Carnation bought it, and the brand name was Big Red. Ok not too much class to that name, but the ingrediants were in the right order, 30.15% Protein/Fat for the Performance formula, they guaranteed money back if the dog didn't like it, and it cost 1/2 the price of Science Diet, Eukanuba and the other more popular brands. It was a good fit, and any of the neighbor's dogs that I puppy sat also gobbled it down without complaint. So I've never really researched the pluses or negatives of Iams or Eukanuba. Never had the need to.

I'm just astonished by some of these posts.

[.sarah]

Well getting back on track here ...

Everyone had a lamb shank today.

[Roxyluvsme13]

dragondawg-Just to make a point, liking the food doesn't matter.. My dogs like their kibble, but it's certainly not the best for them..

[dragondawg]

dragondawg-Just to make a point, liking the food doesn't matter.. My dogs like their kibble, but it's certainly not the best for them..

Well, if one has dogs in perfect health on the current diet of "kibble" then how does one judge it's not best for them? Any criteria or metrics that can be measured? Any scientific studies published in the major Vet journals which measured these criteria? If not then it comes down to personal opinion and something that borders on religion.

[Roxyluvsme13]

Well, if one has dogs in perfect health on the current diet of "kibble" then how does one judge it's not best for them? Any criteria or metrics that can be measured? Any scientific studies published in the major Vet journals which measured these criteria? If not then it comes down to personal opinion and something that borders on religion.

Eh, true I suppose. I'd still much rather feed Raw.. and you really just made me realize that even though Roxy's on one of the lowest quality kibble's out there, she's perfectly healthy..

[Vela]

Well, if one has dogs in perfect health on the current diet of "kibble" then how does one judge it's not best for them? Any criteria or metrics that can be measured? Any scientific studies published in the major Vet journals which measured these criteria? If not then it comes down to personal opinion and something that borders on religion.

How do you judge perfect health though, becuse they don't look like they are dying on the outside? That does not mean a dog is in perfect health. Yes dogs CAN survive on low quality food, but that does not mean they are in perfect health, and that is not something you can judge just by looking at them. People can survive on junk food too, in fact many teenagers look perfectly healthy and live on sodas and candy and junk, doesn't mean they are pefectly healthy.