Are annual shots overkill!!!

[binka_nugget]

Rabies is the worst, it effects the nervous system. It can cause fear, aggression, and anxiety. Because of the shot Luka is afraid of pretty much everything now, even our backyard. I think it caused Mandy's aggression too, since she used to be wonderful with dogs, but we can't remember enough to make a proper diagnosis.

Oh wow.. I don't think I could deal with a more aggressive Kaedyn or fearful Kai. Yikes.. maybe I'll look into doing what Jordan does.

[luvofallhorses]

I do think that rabies shots ARE neccessary. I know my aunt's jrt/chihuahua mix threw up after getting her first shots, but that's normal right? I also think it keeps their immune system healthy by being vaccined. jmho!

[carole]

I may be on the outer with my opinion but i am a firm advocate of vaccinating, my children and my pets, yes there are indeed risks and of course i do worry about them, but i believe the risk of getting these outweigh the risks of vaccination,there are some unlucky ones, humans and animals as have been told here, and i guess if that happened to me i might well change my mind.

We donot have rabies vaccine here in NZ, so that is a plus, not needed, let us hope it stays that way, and i vaccinate my cats every two years for cat flue etc, it has only recently been reduced to two yearly , used to be once a year.

In an ideal world if everyone vaccinated we would beable to irradicate nearly all these diseases,well that is my personal belief anyhow.

[wolfsoul]

In an ideal world if everyone vaccinated we would beable to irradicate nearly all these diseases,well that is my personal belief anyhow.

I disagree with this. When Visa was a puppy, there was an older litter being raised with them. After their older litter recieved vaccines, one of the puppies developed parvovirus (the disease he was being vaccinated against GAVE it to him). After days of living with the other litter, Visa and her littermates were perfectly fine. The vet vaccinated the litter, the vaccines weakened the immune systems, and all of the puppies developed parvo. Some of these puppies died. If it weren't for the vaccines, none of these puppies would have developed parvo in the first place. Vaccinosis is not rare at all -- I hear about it all the time. When you are vaccinating, you are giving a part of the diseas e to the animal, therefore it is impossible to eradicate all diseases by vaccinations alone.

[Lady's Human]

Actually, it is possible. Smallpox and polio ring a bell?

[wolfsoul]

People are NOT the same thing --- Polio and smallpox vaccines were not given to every single person for dozens of years annually or every few years. Dogs can have ten generation pedigrees where every single dog in that pedigree recieved the exact same vaccinations. Not only does this mean that the dog is breeding a weaker immune system into it's line, but that dog is carrying on a higher chance of vaccine sensitivities. Smallpox was not something that was vaccinated into the entire world population for years and years and years. Vaccinosis is extremely rare in people compared to dogs because people are not vaccinated as often and not with nearly as dangerous protocols. People are not able to start breeding at a young age and create litters that pass on the same genetic predispositions every year. Smallpox and polio compared to parvo virus is not the same thing at all. Parvo is one of the more common vaccinosis reactions, it has been known to last on sterilized surfaces for up to 7 years, etc. There is no way that every canine and feline disease could be wiped out as easily as polio and smallpox were.

[Lady's Human]

The original purpose of Rabies vaccines and the laws requiring rabies vaccine was not to protect the dogs, it was to protect the human population from getting the disease through dogs. Given the fact that rabies is a fairly common disease in wild animals in North America, not vaccinating is foolish.

If a reliable test for immune levels was developed and allowed by law, I could see not vaccinating every three years. Until that happens, however, I'll follow the law.

[MsLadyLyn]

People are NOT the same thing --- Polio and smallpox vaccines were not given to every single person for dozens of years annually or every few years. Dogs can have ten generation pedigrees where every single dog in that pedigree recieved the exact same vaccinations. Not only does this mean that the dog is breeding a weaker immune system into it's line, but that dog is carrying on a higher chance of vaccine sensitivities. Smallpox was not something that was vaccinated into the entire world population for years and years and years. Vaccinosis is extremely rare in people compared to dogs because people are not vaccinated as often and not with nearly as dangerous protocols. People are not able to start breeding at a young age and create litters that pass on the same genetic predispositions every year. Smallpox and polio compared to parvo virus is not the same thing at all. Parvo is one of the more common vaccinosis reactions, it has been known to last on sterilized surfaces for up to 7 years, etc. There is no way that every canine and feline disease could be wiped out as easily as polio and smallpox were.

As I recall the Smallpox vaccine was only given once. As for the Polio, I remember those nasty little "sugar cubes." But when my cousin developed Polio from taking the vaccine all our parents decided that not one of us were going to take another one, thank goodness! Our dogs however have to take these needless shots annually. Why would I want to take a chance that I could, in the long run, be doing my dear pet harm. I myself got a flu vaccine and then I got the flu! Will I take another one? Not on your life! As with rabies vaccines you and your pet are getting a "live virus" with these vaccines! So why do it at all?

[frawri]

Actually, it is possible. Smallpox and polio ring a bell?

There not eradicated, just cut down... Plus at the time I don't think the vaccination had all this other junk in it that is in our vaccinations now.

[frawri]

I think we all can have our own views on this with out getting at each other’s throats. We are not animals, lets not act like them. This topic was brought up to help others see there is something wrong with just letting others do our thinking for us. I think it has helped us talk about it. That is great, lets keep doing that. It helps out so many people. But please don't just take one or two persons idea of right or wrong. Look into it for yourself. Think for yourself. Do research. Then when you have it all sitting in front of you, make an educated choice as to right or wrong. Your animal is going to love you either way, but it is important for YOU to make that educated choice.

[frawri]

I may be on the outer with my opinion but i am a firm advocate of vaccinating, my children and my pets, yes there are indeed risks and of course i do worry about them, but i believe the risk of getting these outweigh the risks of vaccination,there are some unlucky ones, humans and animals as have been told here, and i guess if that happened to me i might well change my mind.

We donot have rabies vaccine here in NZ, so that is a plus, not needed, let us hope it stays that way, and i vaccinate my cats every two years for cat flue etc, it has only recently been reduced to two yearly , used to be once a year.

In an ideal world if everyone vaccinated we would beable to irradicate nearly all these diseases,well that is my personal belief anyhow.

I am sorry but I do disagree with you on this topic. I think vaccinations are one of the main killers of babies. And there is a great deal of proof out there if people would just look into it. Here is a list of just fillers for your average vaccination.


Vaccine Fillers and Ingredients

In addition to the viral and bacterial RNA or DNA that is part of the vaccines, here are the fillers:

aluminum hydroxide
aluminum phosphate
ammonium sulfate
amphotericin B
animal tissues: pig blood, horse blood, rabbit brain,
dog kidney, monkey kidney,
chick embryo, chicken egg, duck egg
calf (bovine) serum
betapropiolactone
fetal bovine serum
formaldehyde
formalin
gelatin
glycerol
***human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)****
hydrolized gelatin
monosodium glutamate (MSG)
neomycin
neomycin sulfate
phenol red indicator
phenoxyethanol (antifreeze)
potassium diphosphate
potassium monophosphate
polymyxin B
polysorbate 20
polysorbate 80
porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein
residual MRC5 proteins
sorbitol
sucrose
thimerosal (mercury)
tri(n)butylphosphate,
VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells
washed sheep red blood cells

Do you want this in your baby...

[Lady's Human]

Smallpox has been listed as ereadicated, with only lab samples of the virus known to exist. The last known case of smallpox was in Somalia in 1978. The last children in the US to recieve the smallpox vaccine were born in 1969 and 1970.

When was the last time you heard of a polio case in the US? If there was one, it would be huge news. Polio is known right now only to exist in 4 countries, according to the WHO

http://www.polioeradication.org/cont...hly_sitrep.asp

Vaccinations now have far fewer harmful ingredients in them now than they ever have, mainly due to a large increase in medical knowledge about what things do to our bodies. One of the ingredients you listed in your post was thimerosol, which is no longer in child vaccines, and is in vaccines for adults in such minute amounts that you would get more mercury from eating a can of tuna.

The dangers from vaccines are far outweighed by the elimination of the diseases that they prevent.

As to doing research, be VERY very careful about the studies you take a look at. The scientific methodology of many of the articles about vaccines on the web are doubtful at best. Look at the authors, who funded the studies, credentials, peer review, etc.

[shihtzulover850]

Smallpox has been listed as ereadicated, with only lab samples of the virus known to exist. The last known case of smallpox was in Somalia in 1978. The last children in the US to recieve the smallpox vaccine were born in 1969 and 1970.

When was the last time you heard of a polio case in the US? If there was one, it would be huge news. Polio is known right now only to exist in 4 countries, according to the WHO

http://www.polioeradication.org/cont...hly_sitrep.asp

Vaccinations now have far fewer harmful ingredients in them now than they ever have, mainly due to a large increase in medical knowledge about what things do to our bodies. One of the ingredients you listed in your post was thimerosol, which is no longer in child vaccines, and is in vaccines for adults in such minute amounts that you would get more mercury from eating a can of tuna.

The dangers from vaccines are far outweighed by the elimination of the diseases that they prevent.

As to doing research, be VERY very careful about the studies you take a look at. The scientific methodology of many of the articles about vaccines on the web are doubtful at best. Look at the authors, who funded the studies, credentials, peer review, etc.

I agree.

[T-Ice]

Domestic animals with no proof of rabies legitimate vaccine (in states where it is required by law) can be put down without even the owner knowing. That is why they tell you to always keep your rabies tag on your dog , or current rabies info on a micro chip/Home Again type service.

But the chances of this happening? I personally don't keep rabies tags on my dogs, they would be lost in a matter of hours! I do however have the rabies certificate readily available if needed.

My pet dogs get the Puppy 5-way or 7-way (usually 3 or 4 shots) and that's it for life. My dogs are exposed to tons of dogs. I have seen way to many unfit dog owners who would not recognize if their dog was ill and take necessary precautions to care for their dog until is well enough to expose to the general publics dogs.

[shihtzulover850]

I thought it was the law here to get them vaccinated. I am pretty sure it is. I think they should get vaccinated. Rabies and distemper and parvo and everything else is scary.