Thank you Lisa, well it is hard to do sometimes, believe me, inside i feel quite angry with her at times, but i just have to keep that inside and vent out here and to my family and friends about it all, i seriously doubt that she is taking it all in though, but i can but only try and hope the outcome for the kitties is going to get better,well at least they are ensured no more hungry bellies whilst i am around, but of course if and when she shifts that will all end, so i have to try my darnest to get her to understand their needs so that she will continue with it when and if she leaves this area, still Lisa you and I have piece of mind knowing those two kittie won't be having anymore babies, that in itself ensures a better life for them too.