Thanks Bro, she did turn up later in the day, Melissa saw her at the corner shop, still when i banged the spoon on the plate on the fence the girls came over smartly and seemed a hungry as ever, they left with nice full bellies, I would have liked to see the kittens again today, but i am staying away,incase i say something to her i might regret, my girlfriend has a friend who might be interested in taking one of the kittens, she just adopted a stray kitten and now wants another for company and for her daughter, so we have four lil beauties up for grabs, fingers crossed she takes one, that would be one less to the shelter, and she is a responsible pet onwer who will spay and neuter and look after them too.