Well...

[Jessika]

Well then why would she post that she was leaving?

She may be 13 but she should know that you can't treat animals like that.

SHE didn't, buttercup did

[carole]

First of all she only posted to get name suggestions not opinions on whether to get another puppy or not, however that is what has become of the thread and so therefore I will give mine.

No-one can say when is the right time to get another puppy after loosing one, I agree with Kari 100 per cent on that issue,(although I might add two days hardly seems long enough to even grieve over your loss,) and that is not really what this thread is all about anymore.

Secondly it should be your mother online here not you, facing the music as the saying goes, because you are only 13 and your mother should be the one being responsible in this situation, and IMO she is not.

I also have a 13 year old daughter who is pretty responsible for her age, but I would not just get her another puppy because she wants one and is having one and that is that.

From the picture you have painted, your mother is not financially secure enough to adopt another Dog, they cost a lot of money to keep, and she should be considering that, not just your wishes alone.

You really do need to focus on the pet you already have, you do not appear to have the time or money to spend on another puppy, can you not see that?

Of course you should not get rid of Roxy because some PT members suggest so, but it would do you no harm to really listen up and maybe take the time to spend with her and think about it all before rushing off and making a decision on a new pup that you might later regret, when it gets sick and you don't have the money to get the required vet care, not to mention all the other things like vaccinations etc.

I think your attitude I am getting the puppy and that is that has riled people up, because you really ARE NOT listening to the pros and cons and to those who do know better,please do listen to people they really do know what they are talking about, you will be doing an injustice to the next pet you adopt if you have neither the time and money to spend on it.

The issue regarding Roxy being outside, well I do not know if it snows where you are, but if so, I think she should at least be kept in the laundry or somewhere warmer, we have plenty outdoor dogs in NZ, it is common practice for larger dogs and no-one considers it cruel, as long as they have shelter and food and warmth, all farm dogs are never kept inside.,but if she is chained all day, you must make every effort to give her exercise, and she does need more than one hours attention per day,honestly if you cannot improve on her care she would be better off somewhere else.

[luvofallhorses]

In june-july, I took Roxy on a walk every day...and...Shes not TIED shes connected to a pole, on a 15 foot chain...

Briana,

you know I like you and I am just trying to be a friend here, I hope you know that. anyways, I don't like the fact that Roxy lives outside. but can't you please walk her now and play with her? She needs you. I know you said you can't change the fact that she lives outside BUT if you make an effort to take care of her and show your mom how much you love her and please don't say you've tried this. I want what's best for Roxy and we all do. I know that you love her and I am sure nobody means to hurt your feelings they are just concerned about Roxy. AND I really think it's too soon for you to get another puppy and I do agree that your mom has to have money this time or has a plan to pay for another puppy IF it is to get sick. I am not trying to be mean, Briana. I really am not. I hope you don't think that.

[Glacier]

Do NOT bring Glacier or her dogs into this. That is totally ridiculous. There are two way different stories, among other things - Glaciers dogs are allowed inside at any point in time if they wish to.

Thanks, Kay. I am getting a little sick of defending myself everytime someone else posts about their outdoor dog!

My dogs are not kept outside 24-7. They ALL have access to the house. They may have to take shifts or stay in certain areas to avoid bloodshed, but they are all allowed in. The older dogs spend most of the day inside. I'm pretty sure I could train Paxil and Preacher to use a litter box, but I'm not going there!

None of my dogs are kept on chains. They have over four fenced acres to run and play in. They all have insulated dog houses filled with straw. Constant access to water...I use troughs designed for horses with a heating element in them to prevent the water from freezing.

I spend much more than an hour a day with them. Just feeding and filling the water troughs can take longer than that! I've spent more than hour with them before I leave for work in the morning! They have tons of toys, bones, balls ect to play with.

They also get all the vet care they need on a regular basis, plus any emergency care they may require. I am quite sure that my bills financed my vet's new clinic!

I did a big post about this a couple weeks ago, not doing anymore. My dogs are much loved and well-cared for.

[finn's mom]

If Briana is an "attention hog," she most certainly isn't the only one. This thread has turned ugly, and, is no longer about educating or advising. It's simply arguing and ugliness, and, I think anna's suggestion is the best one that has been given here of late. I try hard to not read threads like this, but, I think human nature draws me into reading it, kinda like rubbernecking at an accident on the highway, which I usually don't do, either. Call it morbid curiosity, because I know all I'll find in here is ugliness. I have been trying really hard to not say anything, but, I will say that these threads bring out the worst in people here, and, I always am saddened by some of the responses by normally polite, helpful individuals. I truly think the thread is dead and needs to be closed.

[lv4dogs]

If Briana is an "attention hog," she most certainly isn't the only one. This thread has turned ugly, and, is no longer about educating or advising. It's simply arguing and ugliness, and, I think anna's suggestion is the best one that has been given here of late. I try hard to not read threads like this, but, I think human nature draws me into reading it, kinda like rubbernecking at an accident on the highway, which I usually don't do, either. Call it morbid curiosity, because I know all I'll find in here is ugliness. I have been trying really hard to not say anything, but, I will say that these threads bring out the worst in people here, and, I always am saddened by some of the responses by normally polite, helpful individuals. I truly think the thread is dead and needs to be closed.

Well said!

[k9krazee]

[QUOTE=Roxyluvsme13]Roxy is happy and well taken care for for an outside dog..[QUOTE]

"for for an outside dog"
What is that supposed to mean, do inside and outside dogs have different standards?? You give her food, water and an hour of your time, thats all that outside dogs need? Dogs should be a member of the family and treated like so, she should be well taken care of period.

And yes there are dogs out there starving and dying on the streets, Roxy is well fed and has a place to sleep but I really don't think its enough There are MANY MANY dogs that are in a lot better situation than she is in...

[carole]

kari although I agree the thread has its ugly parts, for the most I think people are genuinely concerned for Roxy and Briana, when emotions run high sometimes it just does not come out the right way, i think keeping the thread alive is important, because I believe Briana will take in some of it and realise that what is being said on the most part is right and only out of pure concern for Roxy's welfare and the future pup, I hope I do not offend, my main goal is only to do all of the above , I certainly do not mean to judge harshly but there really are some major issues here that need addressing IMO.

[jackie]

I said I wouldn't post again and that I just wanted this thread to drop off the board, But i just want to say this. I have messaged Karen and asked her to lock this thread.

Please, anyone who is tired of reading this, message Karen and ask her to lock the thread.

[K9soul]

It's all been said and said again. Good points were made and some well thought out posts were made, but now a lot of it is just getting to pettiness and repetitiveness. Believe me I understand how emotional a situation this is and how distressing for many here, but what ends up happening is those petty or nasty posts end up overshadowing the ones that MIGHT have been listened to. More than likely in this situation they would not, but there's always that "might" factor.

Really my post in General awhile back says it best as to how I feel in these situations: http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?t=77230

[carole]

Why on earth do you want to delete the thread, to me it is like the old ostrich burying its head in the sand, of course people should refrain from being impolite, but honestly I am hoping through reading all these replies some of it will actually make sense and Briana may reconsider some things, if you close it there is no possible chance of that even happening., I guess I am just ever hopeful, but if this thread is going to continue on in a non-productive manner then I reluctanly agree it should be deleted, as it is serving no real purpose except to cause more hurt, and doing more harm than good.

[finn's mom]

kari although I agree the thread has its ugly parts, for the most I think people are genuinely concerned for Roxy and Briana, when emotions run high sometimes it just does not come out the right way, i think keeping the thread alive is important, because I believe Briana will take in some of it and realise that what is being said on the most part is right and only out of pure concern for Roxy's welfare and the future pup, I hope I do not offend, my main goal is only to do all of the above , I certainly do not mean to judge harshly but there really are some major issues here that need addressing IMO.

I sent you a PM.

[jackie]

Why on earth do you want to delete the thread, to me it is like the old ostrich burying its head in the sand, of course people should refrain from being impolite, but honestly I am hoping through reading all these replies some of it will actually make sense and Briana may reconsider some things, if you close it there is no possible chance of that even happening.

I said lock, not delete. Most people have expressed their opinions and there is no where else for the thread to go, but downhill.

[.sarah]

If Briana is an "attention hog," she most certainly isn't the only one. This thread has turned ugly, and, is no longer about educating or advising. It's simply arguing and ugliness, and, I think anna's suggestion is the best one that has been given here of late. I try hard to not read threads like this, but, I think human nature draws me into reading it, kinda like rubbernecking at an accident on the highway, which I usually don't do, either. Call it morbid curiosity, because I know all I'll find in here is ugliness. I have been trying really hard to not say anything, but, I will say that these threads bring out the worst in people here, and, I always am saddened by some of the responses by normally polite, helpful individuals. I truly think the thread is dead and needs to be closed.

While I understand where you are coming from, I think keeping this thread open is important. There are some here who are arguing IMO and some who are still advising her. If she is anything like me at 13 she is stubborn and does not want to have to say she is wrong. She is probably taking all of this in, and I think it will really sink in later (hopefully before she goes to look at those puppies). Somehow I think she'll have a moment with Roxy where she'll realize that Roxy could be better off, and that she needs to provide better for her. I do not think she should give Roxy away unless if she realizes that she can't provide for her. But I truly think this is going to get to her. Just my 2 cents.

[carole]

Sarah you and I are thinking along the same lines here,yes my 13 year old is stubborn too and hates to admit she is wrong, but I have often found by talking through things with her alot, she finally sees a different side of things sometimes, anyway I have addressed it all in my previous thread, sorry I thought locking it was the same as deleting, I have never heard that term before and assumed it was the same thing.