New law will require marriage as a legal condition of motherhood

[caseysmom]

Grybai...you owe me a new keyboard! I just about spit out my coffee! I never thought of the turkey baster idea....I figure maybe they want you to suffer through one loveless night with a man to be able to have a child....gee thats a lot better....

[animal_rescue]

Grybai...you owe me a new keyboard! I just about spit out my coffee! I never thought of the turkey baster idea....I figure maybe they want you to suffer through one loveless night with a man to be able to have a child....gee thats a lot better....

No no no, I like the turkey baster idea!! Just remember, never tell your kids where they came from.

[dukedogsmom]

That also happens to be the most fun way!

[carole]

I am a little scared and embarrassed to ask this, but what is the Turkey Baster Method? either I am an old naive woman, or this is just something us Kiwi's have never heard of? lol someone can always Pm me with the answer if it is not suitable to put here. I honestly have never heard this before.

[tatsxxx11]

"This is one of the most assinine things I've heard lately. Pretty soon, we women will have to have permission from Congress just to go to the bathroom! Pretty soon, we'll have no rights at all. What are they going to do if the people aren't married, shove it back in?"


LOL! Maybe, Val!!!

As for the turkey baster...

[Karen]

I sent you both a PM with the turkey baster details, as it doesn;t need to be posted publicly.

[caseysmom]

Carol...you have heard of american ingenuity

[tatsxxx11]

Wow, I have to go back and read the bill more closely but on first glance, it seems some pretty chilling inferences may be drawn. What is the ultimate goal, to assure that only married couples be allowed to procreate? If they can prevent unmarried women from conceiving by artificial means, i.e. aritificial insemination, what is to say that in the future unwed women, wishing to conceive by conventional means, wouldn't have their births deemed illegeal? What is the difference??? Last time I checked, sperm banks, fertility clinics were not government run, I didn't need to ask my legislator..."May I?" ! What about couples where the husband is "handicapped," artficial insemination being their only recourse? What if the husband should die before conceiving and the women then chooses to become pregnant by aritificial insemination, with her husband's frozen sperm? Would she then be prohibited from doing so, based soley on the fact that she now is widowed? Why not make all couples, married or not, undergo the same intense scrutiny of the adoption process criteria before being allowed to have a child; not just single women! Well, two parents, being married, does not assure by ANY means, GOOD parenting!

I'm sorry "unauthorized reproduction," reproduction without state approval a crime? They can't be serious.

As the draft of the new law reads now, an intended parent "who
knowingly or willingly participates in an artificial reproduction
procedure" without court approval, "commits unauthorized
reproduction, a Class B misdemeanor." The criminal charges will be
the same for physicians who commit "unauthorized practice of
artificial reproduction."

[DJFyrewolf36]

The term "Unauthorized Reproduction" sounds kind of Nazi-ish and very scary to me.

tatsxxx11...You echoed my thoughts.

Grybai...I've known a few people that have actually TRIED the turkey baster approach...although I'm not sure as to the success of said endevor!

[tatsxxx11]

Yes, Nazi-ish. As well, eugenics came to mind, the policy of "selective reproduction," the policy of forced sterilization, practiced in many countries in the first half of the 20th century, including the U.S. In essence, selective breeding, culling out from the population, those deemed unsuitable to reproduce...criminals, the insane, the mentally retarded or emotionally challenged.

[lizbud]

Sen. Miller has withdrawn the proposed bill.She is a long time Republican
Senator here & I was flabbergasted when I first heard about this bill.On tonights news they said she has withdrawn her proposal because of the
"unforseen legal aspects of the bill". I think she must have eaten some bad
fish or something.

[tatsxxx11]

Maybe she had a moment of clarity in her thinking...one can only hope.

[lizbud]

Maybe she had a moment of clarity in her thinking...one can only hope.

Hope springs eternal.

I believe the intent was to find a way to prohibit gays and lesbians
(specifically) from using medical procedures to become pregnant.

[Tubby & Peanut's Mom]

I think she must have eaten some bad
fish or something.

I heard this morning that she had withdrawn her proposal - "because it was a much more complicated issue than she previously thought."

Advice for senators - make sure you know all aspects of what you're proposing before you make yourself look like a complete idiot in front of the entire nation.

The news report did say that what she meant the proposal to do was put some sort of regulations on "artificial" means, not that she would ban single women from getting pregnant the "old fashioned" way. Not that this makes it anymore right. I think, like Liz said "I believe the intent was to find a way to prohibit gays and lesbians (specifically) from using medical procedures to become pregnant."

[lizbud]

A small article in the morning paper today.

Assisted-reproduction bill dropped

Mary Beth Schneider
[email protected]
A controversial proposed bill to prohibit gays, lesbians and single people from using medical procedures to produce a child has been dropped by its legislative sponsor.
State Sen. Patricia Miller, R-Indianapolis, issued a one-sentence statement Wednesday saying: "The issue has become more complex than anticipated and will be withdrawn from consideration by the Health Finance Commission."


Miller said later that the issue of regulating assisted reproduction, just as the state regulates adoption, is multifaceted. She said there was not enough time for the committee -- a panel of lawmakers that meets when the Indiana General Assembly is not in session to discuss possible legislation -- to work through all of the issues involved by its next meeting Oct. 20.
Miller had planned to ask the committee to vote at that meeting on whether to recommend the proposed bill to the full legislature when it meets in January.
Under her proposal, couples who needed assistance to become pregnant -- such as through intrauterine insemination; the use of donor eggs, embryos and sperm; in vitro fertilization and embryo transfer; or other medical means -- would have had to be married to each other.
In addition, married couples who needed donor sperm and eggs to become pregnant would have been required to go through the same rigorous assessment of their fitness to be parents as do people who adopt a child.
The proposal had drawn fire from the Indiana Civil Liberties Union and Planned Parenthood of Indiana.


Call Star reporter Mary Beth Schneider at (317) 444-2772