Post much appreciated GD . Like I said, I certainly understand your frustration, standing in your shoes. I think Martin or someone should take all the information I've seen him share and make a web page or FAQ page with it that all you involved in racing, whether it be participating in or supporting it, can link or quote from that explains the other side and directly refutes some of the information floating around out there. He writes so eloquently and does such an excellent job explaining the pro-racing stance from what I've seen reading his past posts here, his posts on GT, and a few PM dicussions. That way every time these things come up on whatever forum you are on, you'd have something you could direct people to so you didn't have to try and explain everything each time. What you are saying about there being responsible people in racing as well as some bad apples makes sense to me, and is true of many human/animal related sports and activities.