Haha.. Same with NiÑo, he absolutley goes crazy when he sees the prong! I think the people who belive there is always another way have not experianced the kind of hardheaded dogs like NiÑo who pull like a monster and absolutley refuse to listen to me some times. When I heard people say that a dog could be trained with a choke or a martingle I thought they were insane and radical and had never really tryed to train a dog before. I bet my next dog will be a breeze to train after NiÑo, even if it is a dal.