My trainer said he has worked with both methods. All positive, and the other way. I guess he prefers the other method - not the all positive. He likes to try things out for himself before judging if they're good or not (I'm not saying anyone here does/doesn't)

Anyway. He tells me to always be positive as well. For example...you're heeling, the dog does something it shouldn't (it knows it shouldn't) ..say "Nooo!" and give a quick pop. Tell it to heel again, and reenforce the command "heel" and praise. The next time, if it does it right, make a huge deal of it.

I've used just about everything for my dogs. I couldn't say one is better, but I know what works for me. They choke on a flat collar, they choke on a choker, and they don't learn on a gentle leader. I have seen a huge difference with Josie (who is dog aggressive) since starting to train her with this.

Aly, maybe could you tell me in a PM why you don't like them? I'd like to see difference points of view so I can research it. Thanks