Originally posted by Glacier


Try one on yourself before putting them on your dog. Put a choker around your thigh and pull like you would with a dog. It will hurt, it will leave a bruise. Do the same with a prong collar. It won't hurt, won't leave any marks and won't pinch. (yes, I've done it).
that's exactly what i did...i don't do anything to my dog i wouldn't do to myself first...