Micki I am behind you 100 percent, I also have the highest respect and love for Sandra, and I know she has Tina's best interest at heart, as most of us do.

I also am not without compassion for Tina,but there comes a time when TOUGH LOVE for want of a better word just is necessary I think.

I hope we don't start bickering amongst ourselves, many of us including Micki have been there for Tina and have tryed to help her as much as possible, as the old saying goes "you can take a horse to water, but you can't make it drink"

Depression is something many of us can relate to, myself included, having all the love and support in the world will help , but there comes a point in time we have to make the effort to help ourselves as well.

Tina chooses time and time again to start threads like this, or about giving away her pet, she knows it is going to upset people, so I ask her WHY?

Many of us will just have to agree to disagree I think in this situation.