Now that indeed is a thought, no i have to let her out and fed her, i don't let them eat as they wish, i monitor it and she has to have a special diet, so i cannot let the other kitties eat her's although it does happen and vice versa from time to time, as you can appreciate cannot monitor them 24/7 and they do leave some on their plates sometimes, i graze feed them daily, little bit at a time, yes she may indeed just want feeding, but usually it appears she just want's outside, but i think i might just leave a little in her plate upstairs from now on and see how that works for me, thank you for the idea. feel a bit silly not even thinking of that, but i just assumed she wanted outside, as that is how she acts, duh.