Val you make some good and valid points in this thread, i too feel a lot like you, it is the children that have my sympathy.

however I do know personally of a situation where a child is involved of being neglected,and the mother has not had the parental guidance that she needed as a child, and this has effected the way she turned out for sure, but i still am of the belief,now she has a child ,she should either get her act together or give the child up for adoption.,and yes she should never have had the child in the first place,but she did.