Well...

The choker the lady gave to me for Zeke seems pretty small. I can almost NOT get it off his head when I take it off..I have to pull it over one ear, then the other, and Zeke doesn't like it...I asked her about it and she said it HAS to be small or it doesn't correct right.

I was gonna see about doing therapy work with Zeke (through her) but I honestly don't care for her ways at all. I guess I'll have to find someone else.

Also on this topic...

I remember my old dog, Rufus. I only remember SOME things as I was pretty young when we had him. I rememeber a little of his younger years, and he would always pull VERY hard on the leash and also choke. (we used a flat collar) I didn't know of other things at the time. He would always pull on his chain outside too (before we got a fence) andI remember taking him to the vet, and she could just touch his throat and he'd gag.

That's another reason I think the prongs are nice. They don't pull, they don't strangle, and they don't get hurt like Rufus did...

I'd love to know more about positive only training. I've never really seen anything of it, so I wouldn't know how it works..

I do know that I want my dogs trained to listen to me NO MATTER WHAT. I expect them to come when I call, even if there is a dog. (Duno how to do that!!!) Maybe I am impatient, and as you said Aly, perhaps I am being lazy with it (I know you didn't point that at me, btw )

If they ever got out and went running to the steet, I want them to listen to me NOW..not eventually when the training works...I'm sure there are better ways, but I can't say that any one is the best. It depends on the person and the dog maybe??

Anyway, this is a really interesting thread to read others opinions.