the presidential debates

[Soledad]

Here's another observation...Bush doesn't follow through on half the dribble that comes out of his mouth. It's like they say, you have to walk the walk not just talk the talk...

P.S. Why would a man who's so devout and loves Jesus so much have a retarded man executed? Or, why would that same Christian then giggle and joke about an execution. I bet Jesus thought execution jokes were HILARIOUS while he was up on the cross!

Sounds real Christian like to me.

[leslie]

We all do know, right (and this may have come up in an earlier post, I didn't read them all) that Bush is of the religion that believes he and his ilk are going to heaven and the rest of us will suffer on earth. I do forget the name of the religion... Anyone?? It's quite "popular" right now among college students so the hype says to promote the videos and books...!! We will be burning eternally on earth if we don't join them (not to offend anyone here who may be of his same faith).

[aly]

Originally posted by christa
This is on the transcript from the 3rd debate.

Bush: "But I'm mindful in a free society that people can worship if they want to or not. You're equally an American if you choose to worship an almighty and if you choose not to.

If you're a Christian, Jew or Muslim, you're equally an American. That's the great thing about America, is the right to worship the way you see fit.

Prayer and religion sustain me. I receive calmness in the storms of the presidency.

I love the fact that people pray for me and my family all around the country. Somebody asked me one time, "Well, how do you know?" I said, "I just feel it."

Religion is an important part. I never want to impose my religion on anybody else."

Just an observation . . .

I know he said that but I think it was just psycho babble As Soledad pointed out, he talks the talk but definately doesn't walk the walk. I'm sure a lot of stuff is coming out of Kerry's mouth that is just psycho babble to win him the election too.

This is going to be such a CLOSE election. Everyone PLEASE VOTE and let your voice be heard, no matter who you are voting for!!

actually if you're voting for Bush, stay home on Nov 2nd
JK!!!!

[BCBlondie]

Originally posted by Pam
I love the way Kerry skirted around the abortion question. He flaunts his Catholicism (the pious altar boy of yesteryear) and then says that he rejects their teachings. Even here he flip flops. He is a Catholic when it is convenient and rejects the teachings of his church when it isn't politically popular. Such conviction!

I know lots of people that are Catholic but don't agree with some of the Catholic teachings. I went to a Catholic school for 11 years. No offense to any Catholics on this board, but some of the things they teach are just totally bizarre.
I have friends who actually follow the Catholic religion, go to church and all that, but still don't agree with some of the views of the Catholic church. It really depends on each person - everyone has his/her own view of things.

[Pam]

Originally posted by BCBlondie
I went to a Catholic school for 11 years. No offense to any Catholics on this board, but some of the things they teach are just totally bizarre.

Then BCBlondie I would have to leave the church. How can you continue to consider yourself Catholic with the feelings you have. Perhaps you should look for another religion but I think you will have a hard time finding one that supports murdering babies. I think many people today are walking around making up their own religions - ones which support their own views. (i.e., the gospel according to Soledad).

There is much that I could write here. I could literally fill pages with arguments on this as well as point out the many inaccuracies and glimpses into some of the ridiculous "plans" that Kerry has. I think Bush did a good job of that last night, most importantly the health care "plan" of Kerry's. To be honest I have less time these days to spend at the computer that I used to. To take away from reading posts about pets to coming here is not something I choose to do. There is definitely a malicious rude attitude if one is pro-Bush at PT. Everyone be my guest to read over these political threads and see for yourselves. I made a joke in one of the threads about Edwards' hair and Soledad read me the riot act, but it is OK for her to criticize Bush's appearance last night. This is what I mean about not debating properly.

Oh and Soledad you left out Fox, but of course you would never watch anything Fair and Balanced. It might prod you to think outside of your narrow-minded box. ABC this morning gave a one point lead to Kerry in last night's debate. I guess the proof of the pudding will be on November 2nd.

Lastly, for your Popcornbird, I know that you can't support Kerry's views on abortions. How about that lovely practice called Partial Birth Abortions which he voted against banning. There is more than one issue here. It is a package that you get. I personally don't care for Kerry's entire package. To you others, go right ahead. I can assure you in four years if, God forbid he should win, you will be typing anti-Kerry comments here in 2008. Go ahead and vote but vote wisely.

[lizzielou742]

Originally posted by christa


By the way, let me be the first to say that Kerry's comments about Cheney's daughter was a LOW BLOW!

I think saying Mary Cheney is gay should be about as scandalous as saying Conan O'Brien has red hair. The stigma has to be lifted...homosexuality is not a choice and it is everywhere (in all animal kingdoms as well). That those who think it is a 'low blow' is more telling about them than about Kerry.

[Soledad]

Originally posted by Pam
Then BCBlondie I would have to leave the church. How can you continue to consider yourself Catholic with the feelings you have. Perhaps you should look for another religion but I think you will have a hard time finding one that supports murdering babies. I think many people today are walking around making up their own religions - ones which support their own views. (i.e., the gospel according to Soledad).

I don't know how much you know about Catholicism, but there are many different beliefs in the church and they don't always agree with the Vatican. In fact, many believe there will be a break and there will be an American Catholicism formed in the next couple of years.

I made a joke in one of the threads about Edwards' hair and Soledad read me the riot act, but it is OK for her to criticize Bush's appearance last night. This is what I mean about not debating properly.

I'm sorry, but I COULD NOT STOP LOOKING AT THE FOAM FORMING AT THE PRESIDENT'S MOUTH. It was horrifying. It was also an event that happened during the debate. I was not talking about his frizzy hair, or his beady eyes. I was talking about something that formed in that moment. It's a bit like talking about Nixon sweating or forming a five o'clock shadow on tv.

Oh and Soledad you left out Fox, but of course you would never watch anything Fair and Balanced. It might prod you to think outside of your narrow-minded box. ABC this morning gave a one point lead to Kerry in last night's debate. I guess the proof of the pudding will be on November 2nd.

This would be funny if it wasn't so completely pathetic. That you honestly believe their slogan is just too hilarious. I watch FOX alright, if only to keep up on what sort of sludge and personal opinions that they're sloughing off as news. It's important to keep up with the slop people are being fed.

Lastly, for your Popcornbird, I know that you can't support Kerry's views on abortions. How about that lovely practice called Partial Birth Abortions which he voted against banning. There is more than one issue here. It is a package that you get. I personally don't care for Kerry's entire package. To you others, go right ahead. I can assure you in four years if, God forbid he should win, you will be typing anti-Kerry comments here in 2008. Go ahead and vote but vote wisely.

Pops and others, I would ask you why is it that the President is all about life while it's in the womb but seems to completely ignore life that is here and living. He REFUSED to make an exception in the case of the life of the mother. It is unconscionable that anyone could justify this. A woman is condemned TO DIE even if her doctors say that it's her life or a partial birth abortion under this law. It's why Kerry refused to vote for this.

It's not as if people are going and having partial birth abortions right and left in this country. The reasons for having one are not as a method of birth control, but are done when there are SERIOUS COMPLICATIONS.

But Bush, like most conservatives, has a problem thinking in shades of grey. I know he doesn't have the mental capacity for it, but what's everyone elses' excuse?

[Pam]

Originally posted by Soledad


He REFUSED to make an exception in the case of the life of the mother. It is unconscionable that anyone could justify this. A woman is condemned TO DIE even if her doctors say that it's her life or a partial birth abortion under this law. It's why Kerry refused to vote for this.

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You make a good Kerry supporter because you are full of mistruths. The truth about partial birth abortions is the bill on partial-birth abortion did indeed make explicit provision for the health of the mother. The bill said that the law would not apply to any abortion that is necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself. Senator Kerry is not willing to regard any abortion as wrong, even when it is carried out on babies at the point of birth.

Lastly Soledad you argue that Bush cannot think in terms of gray. I am afraid that gray is the only way that Kerry can think. He can't see in black and white because he cannot take a stand that even he feels comfortable with later on. He has no convictions. I do not trust this man to lead!

Soledad your comments about Bush giggling at executions goes to new lows. I really believe your hatred is at rock bottom.

Enough of this. I am off today and don't plan to waste any more of my time. It just bothers me when mistruths are printed here on this forum because there are those that might believe them. I hope that everyone will do their homework and read exactly what the candidates have said from their own mouths and view their records.

[CathyBogart]

This video clip speaks for itself, methinks. It even rendered the reporter speechless!! (Yes this is a bit of an old clip, just trying to lighten things a bit!)

[lizzielou742]

Originally posted by WolfChan
This video clip speaks for itself, methinks. It even rendered the reporter speechless!! (Yes this is a bit of an old clip, just trying to lighten things a bit!)

BAHAHA!!! That just made my afternoon!

What is UP with that!!!????

By the way, if anyone's interested, there are new videos up at democrats.org. Click here and here to see them. Or, if you prefer not to view them, then don't click.

[dukedogsmom]

While we're at it, lets just take away women's rights alltogether? You know, it's already happening. Pharmacists refusing to fill someone's prescription for the morning after pill(even in rape cases, mind you) Some refusing to even fill birth control pill prescriptions. It's against their religion. Well then, they shouldn't be a pharmacist and should be fired! I'll be if someone's going to take that right away from me. BC pills are used for other things, other than birth control. I don't approve of abortions being used as a form of birth control but I do agree that every woman should have that choice. What happened to separation of church and state? Just because it's what he believes doesn't mean that the whole U.S. should have to go by his views. I won't say any more because I know I've said more than some would like to acknowlege.

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by Soledad
I love watching the blob of foam hang off of Bush's mouth as he lies and smirks his way through this debate.

LOLOLOL

Next time you have a hunk of spinach stuck you your pearly whites, or tuck your skirt in your panty hose remember,

The country ain't watching!

And if you noticed the polls NEVER add up to 100%
and that plus/minus sign.....that pisses me off because I can never type it when I quote statistics....


BC,

You should have saved your parents money and flunked out....
I'm not going to tell you what I DID TO THE PRIEST to make MY escape....

And Pam,

I want to let you know I WAS AN ALTAR boy, and look how poorly I turned out.


LIZ

CONAN HAS RED HAIR??

I can't tell on my 35 inch black and white television...One day I'll look at those new fangled color sets.


Christa,

I'm a disgruntle male, does that count in this election???


I leave for a few hours and a political discussion breaks out.

SHEESH!

[guster girl]

Originally posted by Pam
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You make a good Kerry supporter because you are full of mistruths. The truth about partial birth abortions is the bill on partial-birth abortion did indeed make explicit provision for the health of the mother. The bill said that the law would not apply to any abortion that is necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself. Senator Kerry is not willing to regard any abortion as wrong, even when it is carried out on babies at the point of birth.

I posted an entire paragraph about this a few days ago, hoping someone would respond, and, no one did. I did read that Kerry said that he didn't agree with partial birth abortions unless the life of the mother was at risk, which would make your last statement not exactly "right on", wouldn't it? (And, I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just making sure I understand this) But, then, another thing Kerry said was that the bill stated that it didn't agree with partial-birth abortions and didn't include a clause in the case of risk to the mother, which would make what Kerry said not exactly "right on", right? Ugh, this is all so confusing. Let me know if I'm misreading what you're saying. If the bill does make an exception for partial-birth abortions being performed if the mother's life is at risk, that changes my stand on that front anyway. Do you have something you can post where I can read that bill? That would be cool if you could.

[lizzielou742]

guster girl -

OK here is what I found. It confuses me too, as it seems to state one thing and then another.

Read the full bill here:
http://www.theorator.com/bills108/s3.html

(O) For these reasons, Congress finds that partial-birth abortion is never medically indicated to preserve the health of the mother; is in fact unrecognized as a valid abortion procedure by the mainstream medical community; poses additional health risks to the mother; blurs the line between abortion and infanticide in the killing of a partially-born child just inches from birth; and confuses the role of the physician in childbirth and should, therefore, be banned.

Sec. 1531. Partial-birth abortions prohibited

(a) Any physician who, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, knowingly performs a partial-birth abortion and thereby kills a human fetus shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both. This subsection does not apply to a partial-birth abortion that is necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself. This subsection takes effect 1 day after the enactment.

[popcornbird]

Originally posted by Pam


Lastly, for your Popcornbird, I know that you can't support Kerry's views on abortions. How about that lovely practice called Partial Birth Abortions which he voted against banning. There is more than one issue here. It is a package that you get. I personally don't care for Kerry's entire package. To you others, go right ahead. I can assure you in four years if, God forbid he should win, you will be typing anti-Kerry comments here in 2008. Go ahead and vote but vote wisely.

You're right Pam, and I must say....even though I know everyone around here would kill me for saying this, I also agree with Bush's stand on the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman only. These are two things I agree with him on, and for me.....yes I have a religious basis to cause me to feel this way about these issues. These are my own beliefs about these issues and I'm not going to impose them on anyone.

That being said, I know its a package deal. There ARE things I definitely disagree with Kerry on, but if I'm going to look at religious/moral issues only, and ignore the things that are greatly impacting our nation and the world in a negative way, I don't think there's a point for me to vote. If my voting will have no affect on what I wish to see in the coming years, then why vote at all?

I'm voting for Kerry, NOT only because I'm against BUSH, but because I'm against the entire administration and would like to see the whole *package* out of office. I would like to say goodbye to Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Rice, Cheney, and all of those people, along with Bush. I don't only dislike Bush........I dislike his entire administration. I would like to see a change.......a positive change for our country. I would like to see Americans get their jobs back, for the economy to improve, for the troops to come back home, and for there to be peace (eventually), on this planet. I can't see any of this happening if Bush returns to office. I can only see things getting worse.

With Kerry, I do believe things will be better than with Bush. I may not agree with his abortion/etc. policies, but then, those issues don't affect ME as a person........nor do they affect anyone I know personally. People will live how they want to live whether you make laws against their actions or not. Abortions are WRONG, definitely, but I just have other priorities now, which I'm basing my vote on. While I do like Bush's beliefs on those issues, and those issues ONLY, those issues are not my priority right now. I think there are a lot of other problems that need to be dealt with first.

I just want to see things improve...really, things that I KNOW are not going to improve with Bush as a president. God knows I don't like Kerry either, but at least he's an intelligent/open-minded person who, as far as I can see, will hopefully be better for our nation than Bush has ever been.

This is the first time I am old enough to legally vote, and what a difficult choice ahead of me. I wish we had more candidates. Sadly, with these two, you can't get everything you'd like.